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Re: Why your brain is 3 milion more times efficient than GPT-4

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Post by mensetmanusman »

raincole wrote: post #27
shinycode wrote: post #8

If some day AGI happens and can exists on its own, wouldn’t that prove that intelligence is a base requirement for intelligence to happen in the first place ? AGI can’t happen on its own, it needs our intelligence first to help it structure itself

> If some day AGI happens and can exists on its own, wouldn’t that prove that intelligence is a base requirement for intelligence to happen in the first place ? No, it would not.

Intelligence first has to exist in the phase space of universal experiences possible.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

scotty79 wrote: post #42
Synaesthesia wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, only a brain can "think" and be original. A computer is limited to what we input to it. An "AI" simply recapitulates what it was trained on.

Do a little exercise for me. Try to be as creative as you can be and imagine how a space alien might look. It's a combination of what you have already seen, read about or heard of, isn't it?

I’m not saying we don’t have limitations, we clearly do. There are limits to our intellectual capacity and creativity.

ChatGPT can exceed humans in its knowledge store. It is excellent at doing research. But it’s not thinking it is merely selecting the most likely nest words based on some algorithm.

Re: Why your brain is 3 milion more times efficient than GPT-4

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Post by mensetmanusman »

dist-epoch wrote: post #76
shinycode wrote: post #8

If some day AGI happens and can exists on its own, wouldn’t that prove that intelligence is a base requirement for intelligence to happen in the first place ? AGI can’t happen on its own, it needs our intelligence first to help it structure itself

Our intelligence happened without an existing one. primordial cell -> intelligent human through Darwinian evolution.

All of reality following governing laws with arbitrary precision is certainly a type of intelligence plane that came before the universe’s big bang.

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Post by bamboozled »

Reason077 wrote: post #108
bamboozled wrote: post #100

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In The Matrix I think people are used as batteries not processors.

That explanation never made any sense to me. Plenty of much easier ways for the machines to generate vastly more energy with far less hassle than using humans as “batteries”. There must be more to it than that!

It's a movie.

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Post by somenameforme »

moffkalast wrote: post #103
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #53

I don't care. I've come to the conclusion that gpt and gemini and all the others are nothing but conversational search engines. They can give me ideas or point me in the right direction but so do regular search engines. I like the conversation ability but, in the end, I cannot trust their results and still have to research further to decide for myself if their results are valid.

Replace "gpt and gemini and all the others" with "people" and funny enough your statement is still perfectly accurate. You have a rough mathematical approximation of what's already a famously unreliable system. Expecting complete accuracy instead of about-rightness from it seems mad to me. And there are tons of applications where that's fine, otherwise our civilization wouldn't be here today at all.

These anthropomorphizations are increasingly absurd. There's a difference between a human making a mistake, and an AI arbitrarily and completely confidently creating entirely new code APIs, legal cases, or whatever that have absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever, beyond being what it thinks would be an appropriate next token based on what you're searching for. These error modes are simply in no way, whatsoever, comparable.

And then you tell it such an API/case/etc doesn't exist. And it'll immediately acknowledge its mistake, and ensure it will work to avoid such in the future. And then literally the next sentence in the conversation it's back to inventing the same nonsense again. This is not like a human because even with the most idiotic human there's an at least general trend to move forward - LLMs are just coasting back on forth based on their preexisting training with absolutely zero ability to move forward until somebody gives them a training set to coast back and forth on, and repeat.

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Post by madsbuch »

logicallee wrote: post #81
madsbuch wrote: post #73

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i am not sure where this comment fits as an answer to my comment. Firstly, do understand that I am not saying that LLMs (or ChatGPT) do understand. I am merely saying that we don't have any sound frameworks to assess it. For the rest of your rant: I definitely see that you don't derive any value from ChatGPT. As such I really hope you are not paying for it - or wasting your time on it. What other people decide to spe…

I added an /s tag to my comment.

Sorry, I was too fast to answer to see that.

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Post by bamboozled »

Jensson wrote: post #109
bamboozled wrote: post #104

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But I just play because it's fun, I roll dice for fun, are you trying to tell me all this is a secret front for "training" ?

Fun is your brain rewarding you for something it thinks is practice on a useful skill. You get bored once you mastered it enough. Some people continue playing a game even when it stops being fun, they are addicted to the reward mechanism in the game, and now the brain thinks that playing the game is a good way to work and provide for itself. I don't call that "play", its work, just not productive work. Why is dice fu…

So when I look at a sunset and enjoy that, I think it's fun to chase sunsets, my "brain" is telling me it's fun because I'm learning a new skill and receiving a dopamine reward for looking at the sunset and feeling good about it?

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Post by nkrisc »

bamboozled wrote: post #104
Jensson wrote: post #99

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> we spend out time having fun and learning about the world is a side effect What do you think "play" is? Animals play to learn about themselves and the world, you see most intelligent animals play as kids with the play being a simplification of what they do as adults. Human kids similarly play fight, play build things, play cook food, play take care of babies etc, it is all to make you ready for an adult life. Playi…

But I just play because it's fun, I roll dice for fun, are you trying to tell me all this is a secret front for "training" ?

Jokes on you. Every time you played ball you were secretly learning about ballistic trajectories and estimating velocities using visual cues such as apparent angular size and parallax.

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Post by AlienRobot »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #53

I don't care. I've come to the conclusion that gpt and gemini and all the others are nothing but conversational search engines. They can give me ideas or point me in the right direction but so do regular search engines. I like the conversation ability but, in the end, I cannot trust their results and still have to research further to decide for myself if their results are valid.

I wish someone could explain me Bing. If you search on Bing, the first result appears BELOW the ChatGPT auto-generated message, and this message takes 10 seconds to be "typed" out.

I can click the first result 1 billion times faster.

At this point it's just wasting people's times.

Re: Why your brain is 3 milion more times efficient than GPT-4

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Post by Jensson »

bamboozled wrote: post #117
Jensson wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun is your brain rewarding you for something it thinks is practice on a useful skill. You get bored once you mastered it enough. Some people continue playing a game even when it stops being fun, they are addicted to the reward mechanism in the game, and now the brain thinks that playing the game is a good way to work and provide for itself. I don't call that "play", its work, just not productive work. Why is dice fu…

So when I look at a sunset and enjoy that, I think it's fun to chase sunsets, my "brain" is telling me it's fun because I'm learning a new skill and receiving a dopamine reward for looking at the sunset and feeling good about it?

Looking at a sunset isn't a game you play, kids don't go and play "look at the sunset", I feel like you are grasping at straws.

Why would you feel calm and comfortable from a sunset? Probably to get you sleepy so you go find a place to sleep since there isn't much useful to do at night. That would be unrelated to play.

Anyway, most of our feelings comes from nature, we didn't evolve to be faulty, we evolved to do things efficiently, play is a part of efficiency. If it isn't for learning you would have to explain what it is more likely to be for. When kittens play and chase things or play fight with each other, do you think they are just wasting energy for no reason? No, they sharpen their senses and learn to hunt and fight.

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