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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by Arn_Thor »

spideymans wrote: post #69
Arn_Thor wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is not a goal in itself. It is a means to a healthy and happy populace. Europe doesn’t have record breaking GDP but features many of the happiest people in the world. Different values result in different measures of success, I guess

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

> The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy.

Just patently untrue. The more productive you are the more work your boss will send your way, while walking away with fatter margins. If he can. Which is where EU regulation comes in.

Europe’s rules govern the balance between capital owners and labor. It’s far from perfect but it has resulted in fairly stable and happy societies. (At least apart from certain external factors)

Now there is of course nothing wrong with productivity. It is, as you say, very good in many ways. But you cannot look only at a society’s productivity metrics to judge success-and my by success I mean happiness, because that is my goal. Look at happiness in the US vs Europe for example. I know where I’d rather live.

The optimal is not always the best for people.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by ghusto »

spideymans wrote: post #30

Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies. Every feature, every website, every innovation that doesn’t launch in the EU further plunges the bloc into technological irrelevance.

> Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies

Agreed, and; hooray!

Rather than plunging us "into technological irrelevance", it saves us from nonsense nobody asked for, mostly existing to sell more hardware that nobody needs.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by theshrike79 »

> Due to the regulatory uncertainties brought about by the Digital Markets Act, we do not believe that we will be able to roll out three of these [new] features -- iPhone Mirroring, SharePlay Screen Sharing enhancements, and Apple Intelligence -- to our EU users this year.

Clearly Apple is worried that DMA will force them to open an API to do those things with a random 3rd party phone.

And Apple doesn’t want to compromise on security to achieve it - nor do the work needed to create an open API for all that.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by jdminhbg »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #83
jdminhbg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, that doesn't really work either, because the Apple Intelligence stuff is done on-device.

Apple announced many of the new features are not on-device. There are three categories: 1. On device 2. Private cloud compute (aka Apple’s servers) 3. OpenAI (but only if you approve each time it’s used) This isn’t really a new thing - you could always tell that some of Apple’s AI features depending on remote servers by disconnecting from the internet, using Siri and seeing how much of it stopped working.

2 I guess you can argue; they say that's all encrypted and they're sharing the OS with security researchers to audit. 3 I don't think is applicable, OpenAI is not getting screenshots for awareness, they're just getting "I asked Siri 'write a limerick about the DMA,' Siri can't do that, can you do that?"

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by ghusto »

spideymans wrote: post #49
armada651 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would much prefer that to living in a state where Apple holds the power to simply kill any law or regulation they dislike by threatening not to launch their products in the EU.

EU productivity is already lagging its peers. Being locked out of having the most cutting edge technologies will further plunge the block into a productivity decay. Less productivity means everyone in Europe will get poorer, with declining living standards. This is not an outcome Europe can afford, especially considering its aging workforce. There is no silver lining to this. The EU has to stop strangling its most pr…

> EU productivity is already lagging its peers

Source!

> Less productivity means everyone in Europe will get poorer, with declining living standards

We have some of the highest living standards in the world. In caparison to the U.S.A. in particular, it's like a utopia.

> There is no silver lining to this. The EU has to stop strangling its most productive industries with onerous regulations, and allow markets the freedom to innovate and increase productivity.

The silver lining is American cultural imperialism is ended in Europe, and we live how we want to over here. There are different ways of living, with different values.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by crazygringo »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #102
crazygringo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you call being hacked with ransomware "surviving"? Or being part of a nefarious botnet "surviving"? Or accidentally installing keyloggers "surviving"?

I am happy to make the decisions myself than have some random tech company decide on my behalf.

OK great, but getting hacked by ransomware still isn't what I'd call "surviving".

It's a matter of tradeoffs. In exchange for making more security decisions for yourself, you wind up with a much higher risk of losing your data and privacy. So it's important to acknowledge what you're giving up as well.

And Apple isn't exactly a "random tech company". It's currently literally the third largest company in the world [1]. That's about as opposite of being a "random" company as a company can possibly be.

In contrast, it's precisely the software that people do install from seeming "random tech companies" that can conceal secret keyloggers, etc.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by...

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by ppetty »

I’m more surprised that it’s taken this long for a big bad tech company (or companies) to exclude software or hardware releases to the EU. No matter how much of a hit to their (very large) bottom line, Apple or any company should be welcome to skip the EU if they se fit to go that route. I'm not sure Apple’s really out of line to do this either [1] … aybe they’ll never completely pull out of the EU, but if they do maybe that’s also the goal of the EU: to get EU based companies a chance? All it takes now is for Apple to see pulling out as a win-win.

[1}: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-tells-eu-commissio...

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by SllX »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #21
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #4

> “We are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security,” Apple said in a statement. Apart from the “security concerns” of allowing use of non Apple services it will be interesting to hear the specifics of these. I thought most AI features were being released in American English before other local…

And it makes me wonder what they can get away with in other countries that they are afraid to try in the EU.

You’re thinking of the GDPR. Apple’s citing the regulatory requirements imposed by the DMA, which are written down but remain unclear because the EC would apparently prefer Apple to figure out the “spirit” of the law and comply with that instead.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by Joeri »

timeon wrote: post #66
kmlx wrote: post #10

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> As a European, it’s incredibly sad to see this trend: the “right to forget” (HTTP status 451), GDPR, cookie prompts, losing the UK, DMA and DSA, Chat Control, immigration issues, Germany’s anti-nuclear stance, the war in Ukraine, high gas and oil prices, COVID-19 deaths, even the storming of Tesla’s factory. With the way how you mentioned these things side-by-side maybe you just need pause from social-media.

Yeah, most of those things in that list I think a fair argument can be made the EU is in the right, is doing better, or is not to blame. However, that requires ignoring the rampant falsehoods on social media and researching authoritative sources.
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