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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by teekert »

matricaria wrote: post #4

Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?

There is this in the table:

"All services normally provided for remuneration (including ad-funded services) are in scope, without no threshold in size, number of users etc."

"Only non-commercial services that are not ad-funded, such as many open source software, are out of scope"

Weird right? But it would be weirder if they would outlaw the application of mathematical operations on your own messages... oh wait that's what they are proposing... Try and stop me. Are they going to put me in jail because I don't want them to read messages between me and my friends or my wife?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by dleeftink »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #49
egorfine wrote: post #18

They won't stop, won't they.

No they won't. Thanks for the technological advances the perfect state is finally scientifically feasible.

Technically yes, but whether the implementations will work in perpetuity is another matter. Think how much resources are needed to keep legacy infrastructure running in the present day. Will these costs go down significantly once the next round of even more complicated bureaucratic management software comes into effect?

The heavy surveillance states of today will prove an interesting case study of software/data upkeep.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by BobFromEnzyte »

The folks over at Tuta interviewed Patrick Breyer about this yesterday and his explanation of Chat Control is downright sinister. Link here: https://youtu.be/wSEI-dg3Hpo

Let's keep spreading the word about this, the whole Chat Control debate seems to be ignored right now in the media.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by faku312 »

WitCanStain wrote: post #63
mytailorisrich wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not possible to achieve socialism without authoritarianism because that's the only way to enforce social ownership of the means of production against private ownership... Edit: There is no meaningul difference between socialism and communism, especially on this aspect (ownership of means of production), which is key to conclude that the system must be authoritarian. " According to The Oxford Handbook of Karl Mar…

Arguably it is far more authoritarian to enforce private ownership over social ownership.

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by 127 »

I'm going to be the controversial one here and just claim that more harm is currently done by unrestricted social media than any privacy invasions. Predators have free reign to do whatever they wish anonymously and get away with it.

I don't want a dystopian big brother watching over my back, but that's where we are going if somebody doesn't come up with alternatives to control the abuse.

I would personally vote for government issued public/private key cryptography. Sign with your key to verify that you are a citizen of such and such state, gaining a trusted unique identifier without subjecting yourself to a privacy invasion outside a court order. Or a similar system. I'm not an expert on the matter.

Free spaces are still allowed, but as you don't have an pseudonymous identifier, nobody will trust you and should not. Also legislation around this should be built.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by sva_ »

Jensson wrote: post #108
wasmitnetzen wrote: post #96

The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.

And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

The fact that we have to deal with this bullshit every couple months is a pretty depressing fact on its own.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by admissionsguy »

ElDji wrote: post #28
HPsquared wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regional development, common agricultural policy, European social fund... There are many things that could be considered a bit socialist. All the directives regulating business, competition regulation too... EU is not really classical liberal or nationalist.

and considering the examples you cite, that's obviously a good thing, despite the fact that for most americans 'socialism' aims to be a scarecrow word.

So good that it led to non existent growth except in third world immigration.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by rvnx »

sva_ wrote: post #117
Jensson wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

The fact that we have to deal with this bullshit every couple months is a pretty depressing fact on its own.

Add on top of that bullshit, the new plastic caps that the EU imposed instead of doing a refundable deposit per [bottle/cap pair].

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by ben_w »

faku312 wrote: post #114
WitCanStain wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably it is far more authoritarian to enforce private ownership over social ownership.

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Reminds me of a joke:

Q: Why do communists only drink green tea?

A: Because proper-tea is theft.

(And the less said about the violins inherent in the cicstern the better).

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