Just sent an email to the Swedish representation in the EU, if some other Swedish resident wants the text to be adapted for your own use, let me know and I will share it.
Please send it over, my e-mail is listed under my profile!
Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now
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#112I too instinctively bristle at this kind of legislation. It's likely to be abused, with many false positive that make it more effective at sweeping up innocent people, while the guilty just find workarounds. But all coming on here and saying "ooohh, this is bad, innit!" is not very interesting, and unlikely to prevent it. Why is the EU doing this? Which political groups are supporting and opposing it? Why now? How ar…
There are organizations which are selling AI tools to filter content. For instance, Thorn, a US organization founded by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore, is building such tools and heavily lobbying for Chat Control in EU. "Ashton Kutcher is a tireless advocate."
https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...
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#113Problem is most of the people don't care because they "have nothing to hide". Moreover, do they really think this is going to solve the issue of child pornography?
the issue cannot be "solved" it's a false myth that the issues need to be "solved". Have we solved murder yet? And why in the US the murder rate is 10 folds the European one? Are US politicians lobbying for more homicides?
It's too easy to frame the issues in a context where I am right and the other part is wrong, because yes.
I used to run a service free as in speech and as in free beer to host little snippets of text to pass them around, I started it because I was tired of not being able to easily share some piece of information from my mobile phone to some other device.
It's astonishing the amount of spam and illegal material, from simple copyright infringement to porn - probably revenge porn or people sharing media of unaware victims-, that the service was getting used for in a very short amount of time.
I guess there are probably botnets scanning the entire internet for vulns or open services to abuse them.
I shut it down voluntarily, nobody reported me or said anything to me or forced me to do a thing, I simply did not want to be part of something like that and and had no time/resource to properly fight the spam.
This is the sad state of affairs and refusing to even discuss about it, to me means burying your head in the sand.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?
All things considered I think that’s a strong yes. Open borders, free trade, technological collaboration, and shared health, industry and consumer regulations help accelerate economic development. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Economic development? Which countries?
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#115I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…
It’s not a stupid question. But to think that it will make people more safe is double think. Right wing dictorship is on the rise across Europe and the World. No-one knows the future, but it’s sure looking bleak. We are all making ourselves less secure to the future.
And with AI… ooft. AI will get to a point where it takes over, and decisions like these help it to. We are destroying our future fast.
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#116Already being discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40710993
this has more weight: threema is the biggest "alternative" (after whatsapp and telegram) chat app among my peers. There's a sizable non-tech but pro-privacy part of the population that exclusively uses threema. This will be the first time they ever hear of this.
May I ask what country, age, and – as bad word it is – class is your threema-using social circle?
Because here it is mostly facebook/messenger, discord, instagram, and a distant whatsapp, in order.
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#117"Fun" Fact: it's currently the European championships in football (soccer) in Europe (probably the biggest event of the year), so it's the perfect opportunity to sneak this through without too many people noticing.
How does this allow for it to be sneakily applied, as you suggest ?
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#118Following the links from this article to the EU directory[0] I tried to visit the site listed as my country's official representatives only to find a literal blinking "under construction" gif: http://www.irelandrepbrussels.be/
Amazing.
[0] https://op.europa.eu/en/web/who-is-who/organization/-/organi...
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#119PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…
Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.
western democracy is good for people in the west.
not other countless nations that have been enslaved, colonized, invaded, subjugated, stripped in the name of democracy and religion.
Russia, CCP etc are horrible too - but let us not forget history.
The Global South Remembers.
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#120PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…
Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.
No need to compare to China, the German authorities can be repressive, they do search your home if you call an official a penis. Home searches are done casually because the judicative branch is overworked, neglects its responsibility and just waves such demands through. You lose your electronics and maybe your property gets damaged. Of course for a developer your electronics might be quite valuable as well.
With a mechanism like this, this probably will increase further, apart of course for the unjust violation of privacy and even dignity. This is a law that contradicts the constitution very directly.
Also, this is policy that was not brought through democracy. It was created by European Commissioners that only have a very low democratic legitimacy for far reaching policies like this.
It would be a disaster for the EU and all its citizens if this comes through and everyone will loose.