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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

But old iPads already work for yeeeears.

My work ipad pro is 4 years old, and I can't be bothered to replace it (I can upgrade for free at work, at the 'cost' of having to migrate my apps and data etc...)

My personal ipad mini 3 has been travelling with me until last year, as ebook reader. Sure it was heavily handicapped in the sense that I did not get app updates or any new apps really. But I still have my books and goodreader app, and still had VLC, and until very recently also netflix. That thing was 9 years old and I only retired it because work unlocked my work ipad so I only travel with 1 ipad now.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Here, https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface Vote with your wallet, if enough people do that, maybe Apple will notice. Now if you already validated what they are selling is enough to keep the masses happy, then it is as it is.

The second link (to Surface) is trying to sell a Surface computer (i.e., hardware). The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think? It talks a lot about Samsung devices but doesn't appear to be selling a specific device (i.e., not hardware. I don't see how the software would affect sales of the iPad (which is hardware). (Was there a different link you meant to share instead? :) )

> The first link appears to be... presentation software? I think?

Can you try to do at least the bare minimum of trying to understand the text instead of badly extrapolating from the pretty pictures?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Apps aren't updated. Web browsing is unsafe.

In your other comment you laid out potential uses for a "unlocked" ipad web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk The bottom 5 don't really need updates and if Android tablets are anything to go by (looking at you Nexus 10) arguably will work better running on top Apple software instead of whatever half baked garbage gets dumped out of the major distros or "custom rom" makers. For we…

> We have seen this with using old desktop computers to browse the web.

That's not always the case though. ;)

About 3 years ago I got hold of a fully function dual Xeon system from around 2004 (!).

Only really wanted the case (old workstation, built like a tank) but the system itself still powered on and ran Win7 perfectly fine. Each of the two Xeon cpus was a single core thing (this was from before multi core), ran at ~3Ghz, and used about ~100w.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_processors_...

... and it played back Youtube videos perfectly fine. I think they were 1080p ones too, rather then 720p.

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We've seen that in later years (past this example above), computing power become "good enough" so that even old computers are completely workable more than a decade later.

Later model iPads will probably be the same, "good enough" for years after Apple is done with them.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Yet another proof that those that want something else, should sponsor someone else for their efforts. Not give money to Apple, and then complain.

But which software stack? Android? Windows? Both are barely usable and for the most common tasks iPadOS is sadly miles ahead.

Android is just fine. Unless you're an artist who actually wants the super fancy pen interactions and display, there's really not that much difference. You may be more used to one over the other, but I guarantee it works the other way too.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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> It's not about running arbitrary code But it is. Microsoft just doesn't want home users to run Hyper-V, without paying for a (slightly) more expensive Windows Pro license. Home users still can download free VirtualBox or whatever other solution they care to use. They can also upgrade to a Pro license in-place, by paying $100. This is all perfectly normal. iPadOS is completely different. Apple does not _allow_ users…

No, I mean, "not allowing you to run arbitrary code" is just a side-effect , not the design choice . The design choice is market segmentation. In the Windows case, they can enforce your inability to install/enable Hyper-V on Windows Home through simple measures like protecting system files from modification. But in the iPadOS case, the only way to really prevent you from running a macOS VM, is by preventing you from…

> No, I mean, "not allowing you to run arbitrary code" is just a side-effect, not the design choice. The design choice is market segmentation.

It absolutely is a design choice. Apple wants to control all the code that runs on users' devices. Market segmentation is merely a side-effect.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.

[citation needed] A large portion of western media is state-funded public broadcasters (the BBC, CBC, PBS, ...), and another large swathe is under the control of various explicitly right-leaning corporations (Murdoch's News Corp and Fox, Sinclair, ...). While there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets, it is entirely unclear to me that they have equivalent reach to their conservative counterparts.

NPR is state-funded and is far-far left.

If you consider PBS and BBC to somehow be conservative I guess that's why things are entirely unclear to you. What on earth would you like me to cite?

  plurality /ploo͝-răl′ĭ-tē/
  noun

  A large number or amount; a multitude.

> there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets

Ahem..

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Linux has been 'ready for the desktop' for more than a decade, far longer for those who use it 'professionally' so that old trope can be put to pasture. As to what to run on a Linux tablet there's Plasma Mobile (KDE), Ubuntu Touch, Gnome/Phosh, PostmarketOS with any of the above and more. If you're looking for a single 'Linux tablet interface' you won't find it as there is no single 'Linux $thing' anywhere - you get…

Complete disagree. Even today they are still trying to get simple stuff like smooth mouse support working, not to mention random crashes of the desktop due to proprietary driver bugs. Every single pro Linux person always claims their desktop works great. Well good for you. You ain't convincing the mass market anytime soon because Linux is NOT at their standard yet. Even if the powers that be manage to completely lock…

It would be more than easy to write the exact same comment about MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, Windows $version and whatnot. From the dreadful state of the MacOS window manager via the randomly disconnecting 'magic' touchpad to the myriad of annoyances in Windows - which used to crash when you looked at it the wrong way but that problem has been mostly fixed - to the lobotomised experience of running iPadOS to the fancily decorated jail which is iOS which has the nasty tendency to crash and burn when iMessage receives something it doesn't like or the iDevice which needed to be held just so to receive a signal, need I continue? In reality:

- mouse support under Linux was a fait accompli on the first device I installed XFree86 on back in 1993, That was back in the time of serial mice with DB9 RS-232 connectors, more than 30 years ago. What you call 'smooth mouse support' is rather vague, if you mean acceleration and the likes that has been around almost as long. Want to use a mouse/trackpad/trackball/trackpoint/whatever with Linux? Plug it in and it will probably work just fine.

- proprietary drivers are the exception to the rule that Linux is free software. One well-known exception here is nVidia which still rides the fence. While this is far less than ideal the drivers they produce are not known for producing 'random crashes'. Random crashes in Linux-land tend to be related to hardware problems and would crash other operating systems as well.

- the 'mass market' does not need convincing to use Linux since they use it daily, mostly without knowing they do so. Most of them don't use it on 'the desktop' (well, those running Chromebooks do but they mostly don't know about it) but there is nothing really keeping them from doing so.

You're living in a fantasy where 'the desktop' is an ivory tower where only the anointed incorporated entities are welcomed. This has never been the case and that will remain true as long as the hardware is (or can be made to be) open. Go ahead and install a distribution, I suspect you'll be surprised just how 'ready' Linux is for the desktop unless you insist on it being a 1-on-1 clone of Windows or MacOS and insist on everything working exactly like those systems. It isn't and it doesn't, things works differently between those systems and between Linux distributions. Choose one which comes closest to your expectations - probably Gnome-based if you're in the Apple world, Mate or KDE-based if you're used to Windows - and give it a try. If you want to do so, that is. If you don't want to try it that's fine as well. In that case I do wonder where your adamant statements about 'smooth mouse support' and 'random crashes' come from though.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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I was shopping for a phone some time ago. iP14 Pro had always-on display while non-Pro version didnt. Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled. Next year iP15, both non-Pro and Pro have Oled, but again only Pro has always-on display. Honestly that is the reason I am still on my Note9, and looking for another Android. I understand what product segmentation is, and probably I am minority, but dam…

This is not software segmentation though. The Pro's OLED display is really a different hardware component that supports varible refresh rates down to 1Hz ("Pro Motion")

I think if that was the real reason, then the feature would be available but default to off on the non-pro version

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Asahi Linux supports nested virtualization on Apple Silicon M2, where the feature is present in the chip, but not exposed by macOS.

I was shopping for a phone some time ago. iP14 Pro had always-on display while non-Pro version didnt. Apple justified it by non-Pro having lcd, while Pro having Oled. Next year iP15, both non-Pro and Pro have Oled, but again only Pro has always-on display. Honestly that is the reason I am still on my Note9, and looking for another Android. I understand what product segmentation is, and probably I am minority, but dam…

You would NOT want to use always-on with lcd.
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