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Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by mkarliner »

busyant wrote: post #47

Pretty cool. My parents grew up in small villages that are adjacent to one of these ancient roads (via Tiburtina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Tiburtina ) and the road basically still exists as a modern road. I remember driving near Pescara with my parents in the 1990s--they had not been back to Italy in 35+ years and they were trying to find their way back to their home towns. We stopped the car on the side of…

The only dead straight main road out of London runs very close to my house. It was the Roman military road out London and ran for a couple of hundred miles. In Saxon times it was called Watling Street.

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by lpribis »

mkarliner wrote: post #111
busyant wrote: post #47

Pretty cool. My parents grew up in small villages that are adjacent to one of these ancient roads (via Tiburtina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Tiburtina ) and the road basically still exists as a modern road. I remember driving near Pescara with my parents in the 1990s--they had not been back to Italy in 35+ years and they were trying to find their way back to their home towns. We stopped the car on the side of…

The only dead straight main road out of London runs very close to my house. It was the Roman military road out London and ran for a couple of hundred miles. In Saxon times it was called Watling Street.

I assume this is the A5? That's very cool, I always thought it was odd how straight it is.

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by lstodd »

wongarsu wrote: post #36
hammock wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With baggage, a typical human can only travel about 12-17 miles a day (half that of a horse)

About 30km/18 miles per day is a common value used in Europe. On a single day you can easily do twice that if you don't carry too much and are used to walking long distances, but it would be difficult to sustain. Also the number allows for time to set up camp (and tear it down in the morning), prepare meals, etc.

Well I did 30km with ~1500m height gained three-four times a week for a while. If I pushed I maybe could do 60km, but that would be no fun. Tops was 40 km on trails and 2500m gained, but that was extreme.

You need enough water, good shoes and nice weather for that. Or a flatter terrain.

On flats, 20km takes ~3.2 hours and yes you can walk 60 or 80 in a day and not drop dead at the end of it if you take care.

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by promiseofbeans »

solardev wrote: post #23
ygra wrote: post #18

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Some examples of automatic layout in this style: - M. Nöllenburg: Automated Drawings of Metro Maps, 2005. We've used that a while ago to render a few pretty images with our graph visualization library, but runtime is prohibitive (along with the requirement of a fast ILP solver). - LOOM: https://github.com/ad-freiburg/loom and https://loom.cs.uni-freiburg.de/global

Wow, cool. Thanks for sharing! I hope someone builds a web version of Mini Metro with this on top of OSM.

Side note: Mini Metro is an incredible game, and the studio is still updating it with new content a decade after release! I highly recomend everyone here checking it out if they haven't already.

(Not affiliated, just a fan)

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by wredcoll »

palata wrote: post #106
ffgjgf1 wrote: post #75

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The Roman roads wouldn’t be pleasant to drive on at all. Also the Romans certainly must have been more obsessed by profit than us? They state was built on subjugation and enslavement of basically all the people they came into contact with.

> The Roman roads wouldn’t be pleasant to drive on at all. Sure, but that was not my point. > Also the Romans certainly must have been more obsessed by profit than us? I don't know, I wouldn't say "certainly". I am not really sure how one can be more obsessed by profit than us. We literally care more about profit (GNI) than our survival (climate change, energy crisis, biodiversity crisis). > They state was built on s…

> You don't really know how Rome worked, do you? Because they had slaves does not mean they enslaved "all the people they came into contact with". The Roman society is actually super interesting when you look into it

They certainly enslaved a hell of a lot of them. Like everyone else, they had good points and bad points but they were pretty far from a meritocratic democracy as we would think of the terms today.

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by funnybeam »

lpribis wrote: post #113
mkarliner wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only dead straight main road out of London runs very close to my house. It was the Roman military road out London and ran for a couple of hundred miles. In Saxon times it was called Watling Street.

I assume this is the A5? That's very cool, I always thought it was odd how straight it is.

A5 north west of London and the A2 running south east of London

Re: Roman Roads (2017)

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

palata wrote: post #106
ffgjgf1 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Roman roads wouldn’t be pleasant to drive on at all. Also the Romans certainly must have been more obsessed by profit than us? They state was built on subjugation and enslavement of basically all the people they came into contact with.

> The Roman roads wouldn’t be pleasant to drive on at all. Sure, but that was not my point. > Also the Romans certainly must have been more obsessed by profit than us? I don't know, I wouldn't say "certainly". I am not really sure how one can be more obsessed by profit than us. We literally care more about profit (GNI) than our survival (climate change, energy crisis, biodiversity crisis). > They state was built on s…

> Sure, but that was not my point

So it’s a bit of an apples and oranges comparison because they serve very different purposes?

> We literally care more about profit (GNI) than our survival (climate change, energy crisis, biodiversity crisis).

So a bit like the Romans who weren’t particularly concerned about severe deforestation, soil erosion and related issues in addition to the extinction of multiple species (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holznot#Peak_wood just a hypothesis but it probably has some basis).

> does not mean they enslaved "all the people they came into contact with

They pretty much did. Especially during the late Republican period. Well not literally “all” but the populations of large/huge cities like Corinth, Carthage and others were exterminated/enslaved and millions of slave were imported into Italy to work and die in extremely gruesome conditions (depending on the estimates the numbers were comparable to the entire Atlantic slave trade)

> You don't really know how Rome worked, do you?

What makes you say that?

That’s like me replying to your claim:

> We literally care more about profit (GNI) than our survival

By asking “You don’t really know how does the modern world work, do you?”. Both of our claims were quite hyperbolical..

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