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85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#111

What a load of shit, paper straws cant even get through a single drink. Come up with some kind of useful alternative before just doing random reactionary dumb things

Reusable metal straws do exist. They don't solve the problem for takeaway, but I assume straws are the least to worry there.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#112
post #32

How do they choose people for these surveys? And can 24k people from 32 countries (so, 750 in each) be representative of 8 billion in 200+ countries? I know only a minority locally who could support a plastics ban, due to low awareness. Certainly a guesstimate in other countries I can think of who are likely responsible for high plastics pollution, would be far lower than 8 or 9 out of every 10 people, as it's a cont…

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/...

"These are the results of a survey conducted by Ipsos on its Global Advisor online platform [...] they are more urban, more educated, and/or more affluent than the general population. The survey results should be viewed as reflecting the views of the more “connected” segment of their population"

So basically it's people who have internet and accepted to be paid to answer surveys.

Like a Twitter poll.

It's nowhere meant to be representative of the population.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#113
post #18

A ban like that sounds good. But what would replace those plastics? For the take-out food containers a common alternative is PFAS-treated paper. Is it much better for the health environment?

Before we had PFAS paper there was wax coated paper. So long as you aren't using something like paraffin wax, it'll happily decompose with the rest of your trash.

The focus needs to be on containers that decompose in weeks/months/a year. Not thousands of years.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#114

I think pretty much everyone wants this yet we still use these plastics… we want to end global warming yet we still drive cars. We care but to what degree do we actually care? Not much. There’s huge business interest pushing the usage of environmentally damaging products forward because it generates money. This against consumer laziness, progress will be slow

Yeah positive incentive and/or negative deterrent is just not strong enough for people to act on it over the current convenience. If "reusable" bags cost $10 at the store, but you get it refunded if you bring your own, I bet people won't forget to bring their own. The laws just arent strong enough

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#115
post #87
post #26

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Local restaurants here have started using DeliveryZero which is a reusable container program, you just take the containers back to a drop point. That and plenty of places use non-PFAS-treated thicker paperboard. Those are also great in my experience.

Sadly it looks like DeliveryZero is still using plastic. :( I'd really love to see some companies using non-plastic takeout containers, especially for hot foods. But even with cold foods, every study that has come out has shown microplastic shedding even from water bottles.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Could it be better? Absolutely. Is it a great starting point? Absolutely.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #42

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I fully agree, however if you're the kind of person who orders groceries, then what ends up happening is that you start collecting reusable bags that you have no way of reusing. I hope that someone starts some kind of "reusable bag recycling" system so I can give the scores of bags I have to a good home

It's really a farce. The old bags were really, really thin. Now, they're reuseable, and so they have to be much thicker, but they're still only used once. This just means that we're making more plastic waste.

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree, however if you're the kind of person who orders groceries, then what ends up happening is that you start collecting reusable bags that you have no way of reusing. I hope that someone starts some kind of "reusable bag recycling" system so I can give the scores of bags I have to a good home

It's really a farce. The old bags were really, really thin. Now, they're reuseable, and so they have to be much thicker, but they're still only used once. This just means that we're making more plastic waste.

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#118
post #84

If we could get the total cost of product disposal built into the checkout price. I think single use plastics would solve it's self along with a litany of other garbage disposal problems.

What would you estimate the cost to be? In my locale, bags are charged at $0.25 each.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Why don't you use reusable bags? I have a couple that fold up and go in my back pocket.

That's utterly ridiculous and highly inconvenient for nearly everyone that isn't proselytizing about reusable sacks or needs to purchase more than a few items. What works for dedicated urbanists doesn't fly for the other 85% of the population. Reusable bags are nearly universally unsanitary. People let their cats play in them, never wash them, then place them on the same conveyor belt where you put your vegetables.

> Because that's utterly ridiculous and highly inconvenient for nearly everyone that isn't proselytizing about reusable sacks

No

Here in Aotearoa they are completely normal

> Reusable bags are nearly universally unsanitary...place them on the same conveyor belt where you put your vegetables.

Golly. Given the habits of growers you really should wash your vegetables before you use them. Pesticides

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

#120
post #20

Doing this will involve a dramatic reshaping of how society works. All of the food packaging that is plastic needs to go away. This would entail large shifts in supply chains, how we buy groceries, and economics of scale for certain goods. We know it is possible (glass bottles were the norm even just 30 years ago), but doing that transition now will be huge. Then there are all the plastic bags that food comes in. Fro…

> All of the food packaging that is plastic needs to go away Most of it can be swapped to bioplastics with minimal loss of utility.

Only if they are 100% bioplastics, and 100% biodegradable in nature, not just in an industrial facility, or else you can end up with the same microplastics pollution problem. Although different chemicals are likely to have dramatic different impacts on the environment, hopefully by now we've learned that "dumping a bunch of microparticles into the environment and hoping everything is OK" is a bad way to go about things.
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