X has new rules that officially allow porn
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Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
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This could be a fascinating development to watch actually. Made much more interesting too by the fact that Elon has a lot of business in states like Texas and Florida. X is also increasingly viewed as a "right wing"[1] place, which might make states like Texas a lot more sympathetic to their "free speech" position because they won't feel like it's a "left wing" tactic to poison minds. [1]: I'm not saying it is a righ…
Past research ([1]) has shown that Twitter disproportionately boosts right-wing political content. Qualitatively, you can find whatever you want there, but Elon Musk's personal connection with and admiration for a number of right-wing individuals makes them stand out. In particular, Twitter under Musk has a clear pattern of not applying its moderation policies to high-profile accounts; in the current year, it is righ…
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Well, birth rates are below replacement rates in most western countries where pornography is consumed more than elsewhere. Are those bad things? I think it is great for the population to shrink a bit for environmental reasons. It's not like humanity will go extinct tomorrow. We have way too many people on this planet competing for scarce resources already. And that's with more and more poor countries rising in welf…
Yes, those are bad, horrible things. It's why a lot of governments are trying to incentivize them to go up. > It's just that we have more freedom Partially, yes, explains no kids/somewhat divorce rates, but does not explain men not being sexually active, as every man (that's not asexual) wants to bone. And irregardless of marriage, more people are single/not in a relationship. > . I don't think this is due to porn bu…
It might be a bit bad short term like with the boomer wave getting old and nobody being there to take care of them. But in the long term we'll get over that bump and it's way better for the planet. It won't support infinite growth.
> Partially, yes, explains no kids/somewhat divorce rates, but does not explain men not being sexually active, as every man (that's not asexual) wants to bone.
It's still their choice though. If they don't have a partner they can always just pay for it once in a while. I also do sometimes between relationships, no big deal.
> I disagree. Studies show that those that have more sexual partners are more likely to divorce [1]. Personally, and that's just personally, I could never have the love of my life fuck another man.
I understand, it's very personal. I like it myself. But I find it can have a stabilising effect because you can never cover all your partner's needs equally well. I don't think it's bad if relationships don't last anyway. I'm still best friends with most of my exes. It just moved into a different phase. I didn't get married anyway and I've never wanted kids.
I don't think you can blame porn for all that though. I think it's more of a symptom of the higher sexual freedom we have now, than a cause.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
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Could people be spending more time single due to spending more time inside on the internet rather than a stronger causative effect of porn consumption. Out of cohorts that consume no porn, to what degree are those variables you cited different? If those cohorts are introduced to porn, do those numbers change? In those cohorts, is there full honesty about usage? It's very difficult science to fo. There are studies tha…
True, it's very difficult to attribute the reasons for big social movements, so I am doing some speculating. I do agree that internet contributes as well. My belief that it is a mix of reasons, and pornography is one of them, as it gives complacency. Just rub one out instead of making an effort on meeting potential partners & improving yourself to make yourself suitable. Interesting study. I agree that it's very diff…
It's not nearly as satisfying as the real thing though. For me it can never be a replacement. Just an addition.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
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https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-release... Why are we limiting this to western countries? This is clearly a problem with (checks list) Bhutan, Maldives, Puerto Rico, Nepal, South Korea, Saint Lucia, Taiwan, Carbo Verde, Djibouti, and Bosnia. I'm missing the list of "most western countries" there in the most critical ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Caus... Is the redu…
There are other factors contributing to it, absolutely. I'm not disputing that. What do you think are the main factors for highest % of men not being sexually active (compared to historically), highest % of people living alone (in US).
Lack of social support for families with children. Once you have a child, the costs and demands on the family are significant. This extends to things like reducing the support for WIC, difficulties in finding childcare (and its expense). Again, the outlook for having a child is a lot of money.
The difficulty of maintaining a family and a career (side bit - telecommuting is a step in the right direction for white collar jobs). Having a stay at home mother / wife is difficult in today's world. Both the expectations of "that's not what I want to do" and the income that isn't there. Supporting a couple on a single blue collar isn't viable, and supporting a family is way out of the question.
And so, yea, guys aren't sexually active. The social, medical, and economic risks are too high for all people involved.
Under this model, porn isn't the cause, but rather the symptom of the social and economic difficulties faced by individuals. Attempting to "treat" the symptom (of people watching porn) isn't going to make men more sexually active any more than a box of tissues next to the bed treats the flu instead.
Me? why am I a single male living alone? Because when I was in the SF Bay in the '90s and early '00s, the ratio of single women to single in the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 80 to 100 (map from 2015 http://visualizing.nyc/bay-area-zip-codes-singles-map/ - its better now than it was in the '90s ). The only place in the US that was worse were Air Force bases in Alaska. Put that down for two decades and then adding the "well, I got no money" after the dot com crash and '08 ... and I'm certainly not looking to start a family with some (un)lucky lady.
This story writ large of economic insecurity combined with misaligned demographics ( https://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/3/2/0 ) in places where young men go to work. And while now I'm in https://jonathansoma.com/singles/#7/8/2/0 - I'm a cranky gray beard that is certainly not looking to start a family.
In an alternate universe with today's technology I would have stayed in my college town and worked remotely in tech and hooked up with that cute young woman (back then) from one of my classes rather than going our separate ways when I got a job ... though if I was 21 today that would be back to the "can't afford it" category.
The thing to do is to make the ability for someone to plan a family for the next 20 years something that can be done. Until one can look to the future and be able to feel some assurance that they'll be in a better situation than they are today, the risks and uncertainty of "settling down" are enough to stifle many of dreams of a family.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
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Citing BYU as a source is the issue as any other conclusion of a paper would run counter to the code of ethics for faculty there. https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy > Expectations of Professorial and Professional Faculty > 2.1 Faculty Standards > BYU is a private university with unique goals and aspirations rooted in the mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a faculty membe…
Are you suggesting that when BYU faculty or grad students do a study and come to a conclusion that counters Church teachings rather than simply not publishing the study they instead would falsify the study to make it come to the opposite conclusion and publish that?
> It is a condition of employment that faculty members act in accordance with university policies, including the Academic Freedom Policy, the Church Educational System Honor Code, and the Church Educational System Dress and Grooming Principles and Expectations. Faculty who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and who accept an offer of university employment on or after January 27, 2022, also accept as a condition of employment that they will hold and be worthy to hold a current temple recommend.
> As integral members of the university community, faculty are expected to be role models of a life that combines spiritual values and personal integrity with intellectual rigor and academic excellence, and to conduct their work in a professional manner consistent with the principles and values espoused by the university and the Church of Jesus Christ. They are expected to live lives reflecting a love of God, a commitment to keeping His commandments, and loyalty to the Church of Jesus Christ. They should engage in continuing faculty development and maintain high levels of performance throughout their careers.
Does this suggest that one could research such a domain that would run counter to teachings of the church and remain employed?
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
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> If you're in a mixed gender school, you're basically in a building with hundred of potential candidates. And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. > Your only competition is other 14-16(hopefully not higher) year olds, none of whom have careers! None of them? I had my career at 14. St…
> And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. That does not hold, as they are there to watch. More accurate comparison would be, if you are into tech, going to a tech conference, you are in a building with hundreds/thousands of potential employees, employers, partners, etc. > None of them…
Or left to watch because they weren't good enough to be chosen to play? If a team pulled someone from the crowd to join in, the selected is saying no every time? Colour me skeptical.
> Well done, but you are an exception.
I'd say about half of the people I went to school with are still doing the same thing they were doing at 14. I'm not sure that is a marker of exceptionalism, but, indeed, that still leaves many 14 year-olds with only a job. But is there a meaningful difference between a career and a job in this context?
> i.e humans have 5 fingers. Yes, some have 6, but for the most part, we have 5.
And here I am counting ten. Do you hang out with inattentive lawnmower enthusiasts?
> In your school, were there no relationships?
Not something I ever felt the need to keep tabs on, I'm afraid. The data suggests that most 14 year-olds are virgins, though, so while it is possible respondents are prone to lie, if we take it at face value that would suggest that by and large they are not forming such romantic relationships, either by their own accord or because they are unable to find a willing mate.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So, are states like Texas, which need age verification, gonna ask for it for X too? I believe that the Texas law applies to sites where more than 1/3 of their content is sexual material harmful to minors. I don't know exactly how it defines "sexual material" and "harmful to minors", but I suspect that Twitter does not qualify as such a site.
For Texas just have 2 gun pics per porn pic ... then you're OK.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are other factors contributing to it, absolutely. I'm not disputing that. What do you think are the main factors for highest % of men not being sexually active (compared to historically), highest % of people living alone (in US).
Economic stability (and the lack thereof) makes it difficult to start / grow a family. This also extends to difficulties in family planning. The result of this is that it can be economically safer / more stable to live alone in an apartment than it would be to spend money on courtship, expectations of a wedding, and house. Lack of social support for families with children. Once you have a child, the costs and demands…
I don't really see how you equate being sexually active with reproduction though. In this day and age they are very different things. And many men and also many women (though I believe less, they often have an urge to have them) simply don't want kids. Doesn't mean that they can't have a relationship or a healthy sex life.
Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
True, it's very difficult to attribute the reasons for big social movements, so I am doing some speculating. I do agree that internet contributes as well. My belief that it is a mix of reasons, and pornography is one of them, as it gives complacency. Just rub one out instead of making an effort on meeting potential partners & improving yourself to make yourself suitable. Interesting study. I agree that it's very diff…
> Just rub one out instead of making an effort on meeting potential partners & improving yourself to make yourself suitable. It's not nearly as satisfying as the real thing though. For me it can never be a replacement. Just an addition.