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What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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I don't think we do this in Greek. Come to think of it, it's weird, when I talk in Greek I use no filler, but when I speak English I litter it with "like" and "you know" like a valley girl. At least I don't say "ohmigod"...

'ela, na su po kati....' roughly: 'hey, let me tell you something...' I hear this all the time in Greece.

That's not filler, though, it's just a way of starting a sentence, like "hey". "Na sou po, are you going to eat that?"

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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I don't mean to generalize, but this is my own experience. Sincerely, I don't know how the US manages to be the second most touristic country in the world. Travelling to the US can be a nightmare - customs, TSA, metal detectors, body scanners, etc. As a tourist, I've never felt as unwelcomed as when travelling there. Maybe it's just a cultural thing, but I seriously got the feeling that people who work at airports, s…

I moved to eastern Europe for a while and was struck by how cold and aloof people were to each other in day to day life. It took me some time to adjust; I had to tone down how I spoke with people I didn't know. No compliments or talking about the weather or coming weekend. This was easier as I started learning the language as I was naturally more self-conscious and reserved. Paradoxically (or not?) I started to make…

I definitely noticed this in Switzerland with service staff (not so much with strangers in other situations though). It seemed rude first to not have a waiter/cashier/whoever strike up small talk while serving you, or for a waiter to not check on you part-way through a meal, or speak very formally with you. But once you realize it's their way of being polite, valuing your time and not being intrusive into your private life, it grows on you. I find the North American way annoying now!

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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This article reminds me of when I landed a job in the US (at the time I was living in Canada). As a part of the relocation package I was sent a book "Culture Shock: USA". Quite an entertaining read. The most memorable quote was "In the US, it is usually typical for a husband to accompany his wife to the hospital when she gives birth".

Yes I remember reading one of the guides created by an American University to their foreign student It goes in such excruciating details to things like dating, etc I suppose this is for the benefit of students from some forgotten city in southeast asia that may think of getting a goat to impress the ladies Still, it sounds awfully patronizing sometimes.

It might be because the things that you find obvious, simply aren't so obvious all around the world.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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Article also fails to mention that using something like factcheck.org will typically get you branded a liberal.

In denmark liberale are considered to be right wing...

This is true for Sweden as well.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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> Of the many pieces of advice proffered, four of the most common are: [...] don't drink and drive (they take it seriously here!) That is absolutely not my impression of America. Americans I have met have a shockingly casual attitude to drink driving. I've also seen it been portrayed in a positive light on American TV (e.g. fictional protagonist regaling a tale). In Ireland drink driving is still fairly pervasive amo…

In the interest of saving visitors to the US some trouble, be assured that the police here take it quite seriously.

Whatever you see on TV or even however you see people behave, if the police pull you over, you will definitely suffer serious consequences. There will not be any tolerance.

People do it, yes, because they think they'll get away with it. But if they don't there's hefty fines and/or jail time awaiting them.

That's aside from the risk of crashing, which should be enough for anyone.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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Yes I remember reading one of the guides created by an American University to their foreign student It goes in such excruciating details to things like dating, etc I suppose this is for the benefit of students from some forgotten city in southeast asia that may think of getting a goat to impress the ladies Still, it sounds awfully patronizing sometimes.

It might be because the things that you find obvious, simply aren't so obvious all around the world.

Of course, I just found it funny and as I said patronizing.

They gave the guide to me as part of an interculturality course.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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Not only large cities - but rural areas too. The reputation for shitty food really happens in the vast stretches of suburbia that straddle the awkward territory between city and country. The US has, overall, amazing food. In large cities there is not only immense diversity (after all, the US is more diverse than most Western nations), but also a culture of experimentation at all price ranges. It's possible to eat ama…

> It's only when you get into strip-mall-landia where things start appearing incredibly boring and monocultural A famous economist / foodie has written an entire book about how you've got it EXACTLY backwards: http://www.amazon.com/An-Economist-Gets-Lunch-Everyday/dp/05... The best food, he asserts, is in strip malls. You just have to know a few tricks to find it. Great book. Go read it.

No, Cowen says the best ethnic food is in strip malls, and they're in strip malls ringing large cities. It by no means follows that the best food overall resides in strip malls. The comparison is to other ethnic restaurants, particularly Asian, and not to restaurants in general.

And of course, Cowen includes a section on exactly how hard it is, and how creative he had to be, to get decent Chinese food in rural Virginia.

It is obviously not true that the best food overall can be found in exurban and rural strip malls.

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> Of the many pieces of advice proffered, four of the most common are: [...] don't drink and drive (they take it seriously here!) That is absolutely not my impression of America. Americans I have met have a shockingly casual attitude to drink driving. I've also seen it been portrayed in a positive light on American TV (e.g. fictional protagonist regaling a tale). In Ireland drink driving is still fairly pervasive amo…

Irish also and absolutely agree, none of my peer group would even consider driving after drinking in Ireland, but in my experience it's much more common and accepted in the US - you can even see thi in action in US television / films.

"you can even see thi in action in US television / films."

So Ireland is just like "Darby O'Gill and the Little People", then? :-)

In virtually all U.S. states, driving while intoxicated will result in a stiff fine, the loss of driving privileges for a very long time, and quite likely some jail time to boot.

This has changed dramatically over the last 20-30 years.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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One thing I remember from a long road trip I took in the nineties across the US was, on multiple occasions, being told that I was "brave" or "courageous" when it came up in conversation that I was an atheist (okay - technical agnostic, working atheist if you want to be picky :-) Everybody was nice. Nobody was mean about it (I got a lot of hassle over being a vegetarian though) but it was felt odd for two reasons. Fir…

When I was last in the US (in 99) I was told I was brave for walking to the mall. It was only a few miles, for some reason this concept of walking was somewhat weird to the locals. To be fair, I was in Jacksonville NC, but I found it odd that they found it odd.

Re: What Guide Books Tell Foreign Visitors to the U.S.

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If you're talking about water just lying around, maybe so, but US water standards are if anything ridiculously stringent compared to much of the rest of the world [1]. Read that page carefully, and observe that while the US standards may appear at times to permit things somewhat higher than other standards, the US (along with Europe) strongly enforce them, so it's not that comparable. As for the air, it is generally…

Interesting to see that according to your source, European standards are 3 to 5 times more strict than the US. Depending on your definition of "rest of the world", maybe you meant water in the US is higher quality than India? Probably true.

"Read that page carefully, and observe that while the US standards may appear at times to permit things somewhat higher than other standards, the US (along with Europe) strongly enforce them"

In other words, Europe is the only other jurisdiction that even has actual standards, as opposed to "guidelines".

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