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He’s not a very defensible person blindly ambitious about power. Kind of weird to be cheering for Elon to knock off Microsoft/OpenAI effort. Also funny to think of Google as an also ran offering for AI.
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Believe it or not sama actually delivered something believable and actionable to the general masses while being the CEO of OAI while others all they did was to either lecture or publish papers.
> Believe it or not sama actually delivered something believable and actionable to the general masses while being the CEO of OAI I guess there's no way to know this but how much better than the "Null CEO" did he actually do? What if he happened to preside over a successful company that would've performed as well or better without him?
I think Altman is worse than the null CEO; others may draw their own conclusions, but the bar for CEO quality isn't "much better than the null CEO".
What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…
I know HN leans engineering/safety/reliability/labor/pedantic (like chasing the absolute truth), but at the end of the day, company scales from the likes of Jobs/Musk/Sam/Zuck even it involves deceit or reality distortion field.
Sometimes people just can't handle the truth or don't believe in the vision of visionaries. So, they have to fib a little to the decels and normies. Even Larry / Sergey 'lied' to Eric during Google's growth phase. It's only when they bought normie Sundar that Google became risk averse. And look where it got Google to.
If I have to bet my last $, I'd bet on Elon/Sam/Zuck/Jobs than Helen/Jan/Sundar.
What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…
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He’s not a very defensible person blindly ambitious about power. Kind of weird to be cheering for Elon to knock off Microsoft/OpenAI effort. Also funny to think of Google as an also ran offering for AI.
I think there is a very good chance this is true, but it also paints the picture of the board being incompetent and incapable of confrontation. They could have filed formal complaints, mandated increased scrutiny, handed off Sam's responsibilities to other people, or threatened legal action. Instead, they attempted a secret coup, which of course makes Sam look like the underdog
I've seen the "coup" framing a lot I just don't see how that's justified. They're the board of directors! Hiring and firing the CEO is core to the job (as is maintaining mission alignment, in the nonprofit world).
What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…
Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.
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> In this case all Sam did was step on a few toes and hurt the egos of a few board members. No, he lied to other board members, multiple times.
Sounds like he outsmarted them and they were holding back the organization.
How could you say this with a straight face.