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Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by adolph »

pmlnr wrote: post #100
dmje wrote: post #97

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I don’t know why this is getting downvoted. It might be unpopular to use or like ChatGPT among the users of HN but - it’s true, this is one of the quickest ways to get answers for something

Answers, sure. Bit you'll never know if those are answers, bullshit, trolling, or straight up hallucinations. So no, it's not an option at all.

You write this as if that is substantially different from common epistemology of the first page of links.

I’m not an llm advocate but responses like this bring to mind the “no wireless. Less storage than a nomad. Lame” reaction to the iPod.

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by mkroman »

dmje wrote: post #95
mkroman wrote: post #57

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It also can't fetch more than 2 pages of results for either web or image search. Reverse image search just straight up doesn't work. I don't know why they have it. With searxng, searching at least works. It also has plugins that I think can do some of what Kagi is useful for (but it depends on the instance)

I came here to suggest Kagi. I bloody love it. No ads, ability to remove or downgrade or promote particular sites, lenses, I love it all. Your comment - honestly, hand on heart, I can’t remember the last time I paged through beyond the first page of any search engine. I didn’t even know Kagi had this “problem” and so I guess I just don’t see it as a problem. But then I realised I’m absolutely in that bit of “must be…

> I didn’t even know Kagi had this “problem” and so I guess I just don’t see it as a problem.

Took me a while before I actually realized this limitation as well. I started noticing it when I was searching for things I didn't know exactly how to find.

Kagi is great for when you know exactly what to find and have a general idea of where, but when you actually need those n-page results to help you refine your search, and you can't, it's a showstopper for me.

I'm not even sure why it's a limitation. It might not be intentional?

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by mroche »

amelius wrote: post #104
dmje wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to suggest Kagi. I bloody love it. No ads, ability to remove or downgrade or promote particular sites, lenses, I love it all. Your comment - honestly, hand on heart, I can’t remember the last time I paged through beyond the first page of any search engine. I didn’t even know Kagi had this “problem” and so I guess I just don’t see it as a problem. But then I realised I’m absolutely in that bit of “must be…

One thing that bothers me about Kagi: I have a large landscape-oriented screen. Why does Kagi only use the left part of it, and leave the rest blank?

You can switch it to a centered layout in your account preferences in the Appearance tab.

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by VancouverMan »

pmlnr wrote: post #100
dmje wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know why this is getting downvoted. It might be unpopular to use or like ChatGPT among the users of HN but - it’s true, this is one of the quickest ways to get answers for something

Answers, sure. Bit you'll never know if those are answers, bullshit, trolling, or straight up hallucinations. So no, it's not an option at all.

> you'll never know if those are answers, bullshit, trolling, or straight up hallucinations

That's how it has always been for purely human-generated content, too.

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by amelius »

mroche wrote: post #115
amelius wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that bothers me about Kagi: I have a large landscape-oriented screen. Why does Kagi only use the left part of it, and leave the rest blank?

You can switch it to a centered layout in your account preferences in the Appearance tab.

I am going to try this, but I suspect this will still waste half of my screen real estate.

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by zarathustreal »

yreg wrote: post #91
jayski wrote: post #46

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Reddit is the only social network I use. They're really dropping the ball by not having a fantastic search tool. I know search is a difficult problem, but with the kind of budget and engineering power they have it has to be solvable.

For me, search is the least of reddit's problems since it is easily worked around by using a search engine. The changes to the API pricing were the final nail in the coffin for me, but the content has been going downhill for a decade anyway.

Reddit is a cesspool, at least the standard subreddits. It’s worse than Twitter. It also has a moderation culture that kind of promotes toxic traits and petty power trips. Used to be pretty good for finding niche info, but most of it for my uses was deleted back when everyone left. Can’t imagine still using Reddit nowadays

Re: Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

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Post by neilv »

> A spokesperson for Google tells the BBC that the company only launches changes to Search after rigorous testing confirms that the shift will be helpful for users, and that the company gives website owners help, resources and opportunities for feedback on their Search rankings.

When I got an Android tablet, I downloaded some of those free-to-play games in which you build bases and vehicles in a multiplayer world. And then other players come along and destroy what you've built, and steal your stuff. With the game providing not-so-subtle prompts to pay for the various kinds of in-game currencies/tokens, so that you can properly defend yourself or gain advantage over others. The mechanics of the game were mostly a diversion from the real way you win, which was the real point of the game's design.

Regarding Google's "help", they helped turn SEO into this kind of game, and even offer gaming guides themselves, because, at the end of the day, people will have to pay real money for in-game resources, if they want to compete.

> The second Google algorithm update came in March, and it was even more punishing. House Fresh's thousands of daily visitors dwindled to just hundreds. "We just got absolutely crushed," Navarro says. Over the last few weeks, House Fresh had to lay off most of its team. If nothing changes, she says, the website is doomed.

If you want visitors to a Web site, you probably have to pay money to Google or similar big tech company. It's not right, but that's the current situation.

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