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Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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If someone steals my car, I hope it's never recovered so I can get the insurance payout. Who knows how the thief drove it (e.g. put it in neutral and floored it for 10 minutes) and what unseen damage lurks.

dont you have to pay A huge deductible?

The deductible for a comprehensive claim is usually a lot lower, mine is only 100 USD while my collision deductible is 1k USD. Of course if you live somewhere with lots of crime this isn’t the case.

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It looks like OnStar and other systems are on a dedicated fuse. Pulling that fuse would disable remote access to data. This would not disable onboard logging. Real location privacy on a journey would also require stashing your phone and toll box in a shielded bag and avoiding license plate readers.

You can probably just enable Airplane Mode on your phone and expect that to work fine.

Modern cars have their own internal GPS and cellular links. Even if they don't have mapping, it's probably still there, always on for tracking and compass bearing.

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I see this in TV shows all the time and have wondered how real it is. It would be great if there were better privacy legislation regarding car-based data (regarding gathering of data, opting out, or notification of policies), but it's no surprise the government isn't pursuing this legislation since it would affect their intelligence-gathering capabilities.

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To take the counterpoint to most comments on this topic: It used to be impractical to track cars to fine granularity. Now that it is practical: maybe we want that? Cars are multi-ton, incredibly-expensive pieces of hardware that operate on shared roadways. There are about 42,000 deaths related to operating them each year. Increased tracking would simplify the challenges of * Finding stolen vehicles * Discovering the…

That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe fo abuse, should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal? The previous is possible but not when a cop thinks it but a judge. Personally i’d live in a slightly insecure society rather than in a slightly more opressive.

Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

#115

To take the counterpoint to most comments on this topic: It used to be impractical to track cars to fine granularity. Now that it is practical: maybe we want that? Cars are multi-ton, incredibly-expensive pieces of hardware that operate on shared roadways. There are about 42,000 deaths related to operating them each year. Increased tracking would simplify the challenges of * Finding stolen vehicles * Discovering the…

Cars are sufficiently dangerous to justify government interfence, but lets not go overboard - no need for realtime surveillance across a network: a local black box is sufficient, with adequate protocol and logs of each lawful access, maybe with the key on a government server so that no one with just local access can read the data without a record of that act... Essentially what paper disc recorders have done for truckers since ages, but with a few more parameters.

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It's inside a complicated box that you can't reach.

Not with that attitude you can't.

Maybe you can, but what about the 99.99999% of the population that can't.

Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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To take the counterpoint to most comments on this topic: It used to be impractical to track cars to fine granularity. Now that it is practical: maybe we want that? Cars are multi-ton, incredibly-expensive pieces of hardware that operate on shared roadways. There are about 42,000 deaths related to operating them each year. Increased tracking would simplify the challenges of * Finding stolen vehicles * Discovering the…

That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe fo abuse, should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal? The previous is possible but not when a cop thinks it but a judge. Personally i’d live in a slightly insecure society rather than in a slightly more opressive.

> That’s a nice utopia but any uncontrolled power is ripe for abuse

Agreed. In the current status quo, it is abused by car owners who get away with literal murder.

> should cops be allowed to kick your door and search your home at any time because they think you’re a criminal?

No, but my home is my private space; I'm not driving my home down a shared road. Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license; the government has existing broad authority to regulate access to public thoroughfares and the use of heavy machinery when such use could jeopardize the health and safety of others.

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We're entering the age where having private, personal space is becoming almost impossible. If you have a conversation around your phone, you best believe that government actors can tap that mic. If you have a conversation at home, either your "smart" TV, fridge, or Google Home / Alexa is listening. Now, cars are just becoming tablets on wheels. In my Tesla, I am quite literally, being watched every time I drive. Ther…

It's not just hard. It's suspicious in and of itself, and it supports terrorism/climate change/fraud/hackers/sex traffickers etc etc.

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#119

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my bike manufacturer does not divulge my location either, but in a much easier to trust way and without a possibility for circumvention. Cars knowing their own location can be really useful, but why does the manufacturer need to know about it? and to begin with, why are they allowed to know about it?

I can only speak to Tesla; they can display the location of my vehicles in the mobile app, I can log my vehicle location constantly with a third party app (Teslascope, Tessie, etc), and other similar location based functionality. I want this functionality, I am willing to opt in to it, but I still expect robust controls (both internal and external) around the data they store and process. I understand some people may…

Genuinely inquiring: Why do you want this functionality? For things like finding it in a parking lot and such?

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#120

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I can only speak to Tesla; they can display the location of my vehicles in the mobile app, I can log my vehicle location constantly with a third party app (Teslascope, Tessie, etc), and other similar location based functionality. I want this functionality, I am willing to opt in to it, but I still expect robust controls (both internal and external) around the data they store and process. I understand some people may…

Genuinely inquiring: Why do you want this functionality? For things like finding it in a parking lot and such?

Similar to Apple's Find My, to know where the asset and family members (with their consent) are, where they're headed, or their ETA to me. Vehicle speed and location logging has gotten me out of more than one traffic violation.
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