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Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by krapp »

ramesh31 wrote: post #26
ncallaway wrote: post #19

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From using Bluesky it feels like the goal is to build a social media experience that’s as decentralized as possible without sacrificing the user experience. So, they want the experience to be like Twitter for the users that don’t care about decentralization, but to be backed by something like ATProto underneath for those who care. I’d say Mastodon is more “the entire point is that it’s decentralized”. Bluesky it’s a…

>Bluesky it’s a major point, but not the entire point. And I'd say that was the right tradeoff to make. Mastodon is only marginally more useful than IRC at this point, and is completely useless to the average person. I as a developer have yet to even figure out how it's supposed to work. And no, I'm not going to spend hours digging through docs.

>Mastodon is only marginally more useful than IRC at this point, and is completely useless to the average person. I as a developer have yet to even figure out how it's supposed to work.

I don't know how you define "average person" but plenty of people who aren't developers are on Mastodon.

This argument that Mastodon is "too complicated" is perennial, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary in the growth of its adoption. It's particularly weird to keep seeing it on a forum full of people who think compiling software from source and working in arcane terminals is trivial.

You can just sign up for an instance like any other website (or multiple.) Or you can pay any number of hosts for an instance of your own (I use masto.host, $9.00/mo.) Or just run the activitypub plugin in Wordpress and your Wordpress is now also a Mastodon node.

If I can do it, it ain't that hard.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by lxgr »

Barrin92 wrote: post #53
ramesh31 wrote: post #45

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>You go to https://joinmastodon.org/ , click on "join" (or pick another server if you are adventurous), fill in your username and email and you're good to go. And that gives me access to the entire service? Or just bits and pieces of it? And how do I find other services? Asking around? Who's seeing my data if I sign up on another server? What are the anonymous operators of said server doing with my password and email…

Yes, it gives you access to the entire service, you don't need to find anything. Messages and accounts in Mastodon are visible across the network. The operators of almost all instances aren't anonmyous, the address of the default server operators is literally listed on the about page. If you have zero knowledge and don't care Mastodon functions exactly like Twitter. If you care more, you can invest time, host your ow…

> If you have zero knowledge and don't care Mastodon functions exactly like Twitter.

That’s simply not true. Even as a technical user I sometimes stumble over things like not being able to follow an account after being linked to their servers web site. “Wait, why am I logged ou– oh, this isn’t my server.”

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by afavour »

lofenfew wrote: post #72
afavour wrote: post #68

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At this point why use nostr over ActivityPub?

why "at this point"? nostr was designed after activitypub was, in order to solve problems in activitypub. No substantial evolution has happened in activitypub in the interim to invalidate these improvements.

I’d argue the rise of popularity attributable to Mastodon is what’s different. It has momentum.

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Post by wannacboatmovie »

djur wrote: post #106
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #89

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This is spot on. BlueSky and Threads have just become "left-wing Twitter", intentionally in quotes because it's actually a very small subset of users that left to found their own hug-box, due to some irrational hate of Musk, or that people they don't like at the old place are allowed to have opinions again. Nobody cares about protocols, except maybe the handful of infosec nerds on Mastodon. It's about a middle school…

Why is hating Elon Musk irrational? Regardless of politics or business practices, his personal conduct is revolting.

Why do you care? You're not his friend or related to him. He is the CEO of a scaled text messaging app.

Do you get upset if the CEO of your electric utility made stupid political statements?

Or if the owner of a car dealership cheats on his wife?

Tiger Woods slept with like fifty waitresses and masses of people were furious. Why? What did they expect his life as a star athlete was?

People dislike Musk out of pure jealousy and try to rationalize it via other means. The logical option would be to simply not care.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by lxgr »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #89
snapcaster wrote: post #12

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I feel for them, because even if they (and weirdos like us on this site) value decentralization and other related values the average customer just DOES NOT CARE. They're trying to compete with other platforms without this handicap and very people people are willing to give them any "credit" for it

This is spot on. BlueSky and Threads have just become "left-wing Twitter", intentionally in quotes because it's actually a very small subset of users that left to found their own hug-box, due to some irrational hate of Musk, or that people they don't like at the old place are allowed to have opinions again. Nobody cares about protocols, except maybe the handful of infosec nerds on Mastodon. It's about a middle school…

I left Twitter because I got tired of having inflammatory content be shoved in my face without ever actively following any of the people posting it.

Censorship is bad, but amplification of horrible takes is not equivalent the absence of censorship.

The quality of ads (I was using the official client) was also quickly approaching the quality of predatory late-night TV shopping channels (“call NOW to get our ULTRA LINT REMOVER with free shipping!!!”).

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by lxgr »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #114
djur wrote: post #106

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Why is hating Elon Musk irrational? Regardless of politics or business practices, his personal conduct is revolting.

Why do you care? You're not his friend or related to him. He is the CEO of a scaled text messaging app. Do you get upset if the CEO of your electric utility made stupid political statements? Or if the owner of a car dealership cheats on his wife? Tiger Woods slept with like fifty waitresses and masses of people were furious. Why? What did they expect his life as a star athlete was? People dislike Musk out of pure jea…

His tweets started appearing in my feed at an absurd rate some time after he bought it, and I never followed him.

That’s like my utility company insisting I watch a message from their CEO on all devices they power every once in a while, or the owner of my car dealership calling me every once in a while unprompted to chitchat.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by wannacboatmovie »

lxgr wrote: post #116
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #114

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Why do you care? You're not his friend or related to him. He is the CEO of a scaled text messaging app. Do you get upset if the CEO of your electric utility made stupid political statements? Or if the owner of a car dealership cheats on his wife? Tiger Woods slept with like fifty waitresses and masses of people were furious. Why? What did they expect his life as a star athlete was? People dislike Musk out of pure jea…

His tweets started appearing in my feed at an absurd rate some time after he bought it, and I never followed him. That’s like my utility company insisting I watch a message from their CEO on all devices they power every once in a while, or the owner of my car dealership calling me every once in a while unprompted to chitchat.

> or the owner of my car dealership calling me every once in a while unprompted to chitchat.

If you know the secret to stopping car dealership spam, please share!

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by wannacboatmovie »

lxgr wrote: post #115
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is spot on. BlueSky and Threads have just become "left-wing Twitter", intentionally in quotes because it's actually a very small subset of users that left to found their own hug-box, due to some irrational hate of Musk, or that people they don't like at the old place are allowed to have opinions again. Nobody cares about protocols, except maybe the handful of infosec nerds on Mastodon. It's about a middle school…

I left Twitter because I got tired of having inflammatory content be shoved in my face without ever actively following any of the people posting it. Censorship is bad, but amplification of horrible takes is not equivalent the absence of censorship. The quality of ads (I was using the official client) was also quickly approaching the quality of predatory late-night TV shopping channels (“call NOW to get our ULTRA LINT…

> but amplification of horrible takes

The problem is the definition of 'horrible takes' is, and always will be, subjective.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by lxgr »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #119
lxgr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left Twitter because I got tired of having inflammatory content be shoved in my face without ever actively following any of the people posting it. Censorship is bad, but amplification of horrible takes is not equivalent the absence of censorship. The quality of ads (I was using the official client) was also quickly approaching the quality of predatory late-night TV shopping channels (“call NOW to get our ULTRA LINT…

> but amplification of horrible takes The problem is the definition of 'horrible takes' is, and always will be, subjective.

It is, so I left, just like I’m not reading newspapers that I don’t like the editorial decisions of.

Possibly there is also a way to run a social network uneditorialized, but Twitter clearly isn't attempting that.

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