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Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

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Post by noname120 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #90
megatavu wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in the changelog indicated that “OpenAI is now snooping around”. There is an optional feature that you need to set up yourself if you want to use it. Why do you feel like you need to deliberately misunderstand the post as soon as you read the term “AI” somewhere?

None of that is remotely clear when updating through the iTerm2 auto-update popup for a minor version update. The Preferences panel doesn't have a single indicator which says whether the AI integration is activated or not. It's probably just bad UI design and not mischief, but I was instantly put off by what initially looked like a dark pattern. PS: even the changelog doesn't explicitly state that the feature is disa…

It's literally mentioned in the changelog:

> It requires you to supply an OpenAI API key.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

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Post by flohofwoe »

MissTake wrote: post #105
flohofwoe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found a checkbox or anything similar to clearly enable/disable the feature. There's an empty API key text field and a prepopulated OpenAI URL. It's not clear at all that an empty API key means that no requests will be made.

Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? If you distrust iTerm 2 over this then why would you assume a checkbox would make a difference?

> Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent?

AFAIK using OpenAI through the webpage doesn't cost money, why should I assume that using it through the REST API is any different?

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#113

Post by DiabloD3 »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #108
ogotai wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the vantage point. Have you worked in any regulated industries? I can see iTerm joining internal software ban lists because of its AI integration (even if it's off by default). Security departments of these corps are constantly pleading with their staff to "please stop sharing corp data with LLMs, you're not allowed to do that", all the while staff feel under pressure to deliver faster, and reaching for wh…

Following that logic, regulated industries would be going after anything resembling Microsoft Office with a flamethrower. It would be product suicide for any piece of software, like e.g. Microsoft Office or Microsoft Windows, to offer even optional AI capabilities.

Yes, and the Fortune 500 et al. are all telling Microsoft that they will be forced to do anything required to protect their businesses, including ceasing all business with Microsoft.

Microsoft needs to tell their shareholders to fuck off and quit backseat driving, but Satya Nadella is just yet another CEO who trades profits today for the end of the company tomorrow.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#114

Post by ashildr »

ogotai wrote: post #84
joshstrange wrote: post #75

The comments in this thread are depressing, I expected much better from HN. The AI features are but 1 minor aspect of this release, they are optional, you can change the URL to point to a local LLM, yet people are pretending like all your data is going to be sent to OpenAI if you update. I’m not sure if people are being intentionally daft or are just not reading anything past the word “AI” (which, again, isn’t even l…

Depends on the vantage point. Have you worked in any regulated industries? I can see iTerm joining internal software ban lists because of its AI integration (even if it's off by default). Security departments of these corps are constantly pleading with their staff to "please stop sharing corp data with LLMs, you're not allowed to do that", all the while staff feel under pressure to deliver faster, and reaching for wh…

It’s a terminal emulator and it has access to a local shell. Your scenario trusts the junior/temp with a shell.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#115

Post by joshstrange »

flohofwoe wrote: post #92
joshstrange wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iTerm release notes clearly spell out that you need a key to make this feature work. I guess if you knew nothing about iTerm2, OpenAI, or the myriad of open source tools that use OpenAI and/or are compatible with its API structure (aka, can use something like ollama/LMStudio/etc) you could think that there was some free tier or iTerm2 was footing the bill for the first X requests. Having used iTerm2 for many year…

That's a lot of assumptions about users that are ignorant about OpenAI or anything AI related in general. I used iTerm2 for the last decade or so without any complaints, but seriously, sneaking in features like this into a minor version and without upfront communication is poor form (as would be something less sinister like a Google search engine or StackOverflow integration, stuff like this is entirely unexpected in…

Again, people using the word “sneaking”, are you sure you know what that word means? It makes absolutely 0 sense in this context.

To work in tech and not have a surface level understanding of LLMs and the biggest player in the field, OpenAI is borderline incompetence in my book. You don’t need to be using it, you don’t need to like it, but you should be aware of it.

All of that is off topic though, there are countless settings in iTerm2 that I don’t use or don’t need, I don’t go complaining online about them or call them “sneaky”. The level of entitlement in these comments astounds me.

> stuff like this is entirely unexpected in a terminal application

Why? Because you wouldn’t use it? Should we remove tmux support because not everyone uses it? And who are you to say what should or shouldn’t be in a terminal? I think a “Google this line/error” or “search SO for this error” would be completely valid ____optional____ features for a terminal to have.

> It's fine though, I will simply go terminal shopping again.

I’ll take “things you won’t actually do for 100”

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

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Post by joshstrange »

swiftcoder wrote: post #71
joshstrange wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just not turn it on. This is the most mild AI integration of any recent terminal I’ve seen. Also you can set the url from what other commenters are saying so you can use a local LLM if you want. This manufactured outrage is absurd. iTerm2 has been the most solid and conservative terminal I’ve ever used and people are pretending they jumped the shark with this feature.

Much like with the whole "web3" crypto craze before it, I think it behooves us to push back pretty loudly on everyone who buys into the grift-of-the-week. Nobody actually believes OpenAI is giving away billions of dollars in free compute just so we don't have to memorize awk syntax...

Calling LLMs a “grift of the week” takes a certain level of obtuseness. LLMs provide value _today_, even if they never got better than what we currently have, or even the open source/weights models we have, they would still be useful. Period.

To compare it to crypto is just silly. Yes they both are over hyped and use GPUs/power but that’s about where the similarities end. Real people (not just techbros speed-running why we have regulations in finance) get value from LLMs today, not some mythical “one day we will all use bitcoin”-bullshit.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

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Post by noname120 »

earthnail wrote: post #14

iTerm is such an amazing piece of software. It's one of the first things I install. Glad the settings dialog had a "donate" button tucked into the corner; did that straight away. The value for money is absurd.

Thanks a lot I never noticed it. The button points to [1] and I just set up a $3/month donation via GitHub Sponsors[2].

[1] https://iterm2.com/donate.html

[2] https://github.com/sponsors/gnachman

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#118

Post by ashildr »

Can all the Helen Lovejoys angry about this nonsensical feature please just stop using iTerm? iTerm would lose a single digit number of users and $0 of income.

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#119

Post by soraminazuki »

flohofwoe wrote: post #112
MissTake wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? If you distrust iTerm 2 over this then why would you assume a checkbox would make a difference?

> Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? AFAIK using OpenAI through the webpage doesn't cost money, why should I assume that using it through the REST API is any different?

Which part of "you will need to provide an OpenAI API key since GPT costs money to use," that you pretend wasn't written in the updater dialog despite being told otherwise more than once, isn't clear to you?

Re: iTerm2 3.5.0

#120

Post by flohofwoe »

joshstrange wrote: post #115
flohofwoe wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of assumptions about users that are ignorant about OpenAI or anything AI related in general. I used iTerm2 for the last decade or so without any complaints, but seriously, sneaking in features like this into a minor version and without upfront communication is poor form (as would be something less sinister like a Google search engine or StackOverflow integration, stuff like this is entirely unexpected in…

Again, people using the word “sneaking”, are you sure you know what that word means? It makes absolutely 0 sense in this context. To work in tech and not have a surface level understanding of LLMs and the biggest player in the field, OpenAI is borderline incompetence in my book. You don’t need to be using it, you don’t need to like it, but you should be aware of it. All of that is off topic though, there are countles…

> I’ll take “things you won’t actually do for 100”

...too late ;) I actually wasn't using any advanced iTerm2 features except installing color themes so no big loss. Right now I'm giving wezterm a try which looks pretty good so far. Next on the list is ghostty. All I actually need is a fast text renderer in a window which houses a shell (eg what a UI terminal usually is).

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