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Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
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Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#112A new problem I'm facing on the hiring end is an influx of imposters from Asia. Everything they claim is a lie, from their name, citizenship, location, picture, to their job history. They even set up fake company sites. And of course they use LLMs to help them pass the interview. I assume it's so they can bilk gullible companies and perhaps do some corporate espionage. I don't know. I haven't encountered anyone try t…
how long you been doing hiring mon ami? that's been a thing since long before AI, the difference is that instead of getting slammed via Craigslist, now AI can handle Taleo
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can understand having to respond if it's been 8 months, but this is a pretty big red flag that the company doesn't respect humans.
It’s a giant telecom company that already had some pretty big red flags around how they treat employees from my own network. The best part is that she already interviewed there a while back. She got a backend interview and didn’t pass (she’s primarily frontend); not a big deal but she gets a message from a new recruiter about every 2-3 months about the same role. This time it was just AI doing it.
Someone is getting poor quarterly review results, and is looking to see how to replace them once the quarter is up; rinse and repeat
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#114A new problem I'm facing on the hiring end is an influx of imposters from Asia. Everything they claim is a lie, from their name, citizenship, location, picture, to their job history. They even set up fake company sites. And of course they use LLMs to help them pass the interview. I assume it's so they can bilk gullible companies and perhaps do some corporate espionage. I don't know. I haven't encountered anyone try t…
how long you been doing hiring mon ami? that's been a thing since long before AI, the difference is that instead of getting slammed via Craigslist, now AI can handle Taleo
Not long at my own company, but I never encountered such brazen impostors while working at other people's companies, either. I guess they were filtered out by recruiters before they reached me. Now it's something I'm developing a nose for.
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
My suggestion is to focus on a fewer number of companies, instead of sending resume in bulk. When you narrow your choices you can study well and notice bugs or issues that need to be addressed. Fix them, send the results to someone in the company, it will increase your chances substantially.
It's a sad day when the answer is "do unpaid labor for a chance to be noticed."
When you have 500 candidates applying to the same job you have to find a way to stand out.
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
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They were not paid, but we spared them the stress of a timed online coding exercise which a lot of devs hate. We told them we expect short snippets of code to illustrate the answers to six questions which progressed from the obvious (if you code in the language for a few years) to more of "there are many was to do it, here is mine" to judge their ability to turn requirements into code. You could do the whole thing in…
We're really struggling to find good people. We do it the old fashioned way, just a one hour 4 dev interview. We don't ask really tough questions or anything. An example is, "can you describe normalization and what it's for?" I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. The good developers we have we got from knowing them in previous jobs, etc. You might wanna…
> I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying.
This is what it looks like where I work, too. There's been a huge decline in the quality of applicants over the past few years. I think the percentage of applicants that could be called "competent" has fallen to below 20%.
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last year I was reviewing about a dozen answers to the questions we were sending candidates to complete at home. In all cases those a*holes used ChatGPT to write answers and what did ChatGPT use? Original Python docs recombined with blog posts. I was able to verify this by copying passages from their answers and pasting them into Google. When I showed this to the hiring manager they had a serious conversation with th…
You can't assign homework any more. I was never into them anyway. One clumsy candidate accidentally revealed his cards by pasting the prompt he'd used in our chat window, like that paper whose introduction began "Certainly, here is a possible introduction to your topic." https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/1beaqya/obvious_chat... Another was unable to explain why his code was structured the way it was. I asked a…
AI code also alternates between technical levels IE: you'll see a part that looks like it was trained on beginner tutorials followed by another part that's looks trained on ripped open source projects.
Sometimes just really silly things like 3D vector math written in a form that would easily support higher dimensions for whatever reason.
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were not paid, but we spared them the stress of a timed online coding exercise which a lot of devs hate. We told them we expect short snippets of code to illustrate the answers to six questions which progressed from the obvious (if you code in the language for a few years) to more of "there are many was to do it, here is mine" to judge their ability to turn requirements into code. You could do the whole thing in…
We're really struggling to find good people. We do it the old fashioned way, just a one hour 4 dev interview. We don't ask really tough questions or anything. An example is, "can you describe normalization and what it's for?" I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. The good developers we have we got from knowing them in previous jobs, etc. You might wanna…
Speaking of pay, rates for contractors in the UK went backwards. The top end evaporated despite the rise in cost of living, taxes, and inflation. Businesses are expecting to find good devs for half the rates they were paying in 2019. This is not sustainable, you cannot buy talent for that money so experienced devs are leaving the industry and the cheap devs are just no good. I see signs of businesses dealing with this problem by building smaller teams and paying them 2019 rates, we'll see how it works.
Re: Recruiters are going analog to fight the AI application overload
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing that especially infuriates me is recruiters in this article turning around and trying to throw LinkedIn under the bus. No one likes the nightmare dystopia of a platform that is LinkedIn. The only reason most people I know have LinkedIn accounts in the first place is because HR types have outsourced so much of their job to LinkedIn that it's viewed as professional suicide to not have a LinkedIn profile with…
It would be interesting if they just went back to paper resumes and applications. That takes effort, only a little bit, but it takes effort.
And for the in-demand FAANG jobs: we only accept applicationa written in blackletter on vellum