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North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#111
There is a public recreation facility called Peter'?s Field in NYC.

It is named primarily for Peter Stuyvesant and Peter Cooper (NYC historical notables), secondarily for Peter Piper, Peter Parker, Peter Pan, Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater, Peter Rabbit, and Peter from "Peter and the Wolf".

Seems they use Peters Field and Peter's Field but not Peters' Field.

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#112

As far as I can tell, this isn't an issue with the specific database itself, but the standard they are required to record geographic data in, which the end of the article mentions as "BS 7666". https://www.agi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BS7666Guid... # Standard data types used in BS 7666 CharacterString: a sequence of alphanumeric characters ... If I had to guess, alphanumeric is interpreted as [0-9a-z]. The s…

The Council is making the same mistake you are:

> How to use these standards > > The UPRN and USRN standards form a machine-readable addition to an address or street record held in a system. When using UPRNs and USRNs you can continue to use existing formats but add a field for these identifiers. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-standards-fo...

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#113
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The '666' portion doesn't inspire confidence either. We love apostrophes so much we have them on our supermarkets. If they're not there we add them. e.g. I'm going to Sainbury's e.g. I'm going to Tesco's ...despite the fact that it's real name is plain old Tesco.

That's because you're not going to Tesco the registered company, you're going to (one of) Tesco's (shops). It's just traditional and logical grammar, not misnaming.

Thank you, I'll remember that next time I pay a visit to Sainbury's's!

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#115
post #99

As far as I can tell, this isn't an issue with the specific database itself, but the standard they are required to record geographic data in, which the end of the article mentions as "BS 7666". https://www.agi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/BS7666Guid... # Standard data types used in BS 7666 CharacterString: a sequence of alphanumeric characters ... If I had to guess, alphanumeric is interpreted as [0-9a-z]. The s…

Such a strict interpretation would also exclude spaces.

at least over there something would probably "isle of pen" rather than "pen island"

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#116
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“The AGI now has a membership portal and it may be that the page you require sits within that portal. As a member you will be able to reach the page by logging in. If you are not yet a member of the AGI and are interested in joining please visit” If a standard isn’t publicly available under a free license it should not be called a standard.

While I agree with you, it's common that standards are not available without payment. For example, to get a copy of ISO 8601-1:2019 (as in, the date format standard!), it'll cost you $190. https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html

Just get it from Anna's Archive

https://annas-archive.org/md5/6b38669dbfb1042a40be0f804258fd...

And upload anything you think is important enough to Library Genesis

https://wiki.mhut.org/content:how_to_upload

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you, it's common that standards are not available without payment. For example, to get a copy of ISO 8601-1:2019 (as in, the date format standard!), it'll cost you $190. https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html

Or, my personal gripe, ISO 7816 - your everyday smartcard standard. A full copy sets you back > 2k €. [1] https://www.vde-verlag.de/iec-normen/suchen/?publikationsnum...

Also on Anna's Archive:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/7957d8af6f296b3adaafd5c21d4aa3...

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#118
post #91

This reminds me of the more extreme case of Spain changing the treatment of due to limitations of PCs in the 1990s. Our tools should adapt to the needs of humans, not the other way around!

The digraphs ch (named che), ll (named elle or doble ele) have traditionally also been treated as letters of the alphabet, since 1803. However, in 1994, the tenth congress of the Association of Spanish Language Academies agreed to alphabetize ch and ll as ordinary pairs of letters in the dictionary by request of UNESCO and other international organizations, while keeping them as distinct letters for the alphabet and other purposes. In 2010 the Spanish Language Academies agreed that these two digraphs were not separate letters. Similarly, rr (named erre or ere) has sometimes been considered a separate letter but is no longer.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Spanish_alphabet

https://web.archive.org/web/20150426001803/https://www.nytim...

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The '666' portion doesn't inspire confidence either. We love apostrophes so much we have them on our supermarkets. If they're not there we add them. e.g. I'm going to Sainbury's e.g. I'm going to Tesco's ...despite the fact that it's real name is plain old Tesco.

That's because you're not going to Tesco the registered company, you're going to (one of) Tesco's (shops). It's just traditional and logical grammar, not misnaming.

This is not true. We don't apply this "rule" to any other establishment, e.g. people don't say "I'm going to Burger King's" or "I'm going to Costa's".

There's nothing to analyze: "Tesco's" is just wrong. It's not the name of the business.

Re: North Yorkshire Council to phase out apostrophe use on street signs

#120

It's been common though not exclusive practice to not use apostrophes in street names for a very long time in the south of England, is Yorkshire just catching up?

I can provide pictures in evidence if the down voter needs it.
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