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Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by Nextgrid »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #46
phi0 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be similar to how credit report agencies have to provide the reports for free under GDPR, but not before trying to make you pay twenty different ways.

>but not before trying to make you pay twenty different ways. This itself is illegal. It must be simple and straightforward. EU laws broadly do not tolerate the rules lawyering popular in the US, companies know what the intent is and playing games will not work out in their favor.

Yet none of this is enforced, otherwise all the (non-compliant) obnoxious cookie consent popups would disappear overnight.

Same with the DMA - Apple is blatantly acting in bad faith and contempt of the regulations and have yet to see a fine.

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by Nextgrid »

anonzzzies wrote: post #18
izacus wrote: post #15

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The question is - will they actually be fined by anyone in EU for this? Because in practice GDPR enforcement is incredibly spotty and slow.

It’s meant to take on the large/multiple offenders; if they get enough complaints about 1 company and after warnings that company doesn’t change, they will fine.

Facebook has probably the most complaints ever and the fines are a rounding error of the profit they made breaching the regulation.

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by Nekorosu »

RandomRandy wrote: post #3

Wouldn't a GDPR request regarding the right to erasure have the same effect and be free (if the company respects the GDPR)?

Hmm... I'm not sure it will.

SoFlow AG Bionstrasse 4 9015 St.Gallen Switzerland

They are not members of the EU. Still, a well-written email in legal lingo in the country's official language helps a lot. Remember to include a reference to the relevant local law.

Some leads: https://www.ey.com/en_ch/law/a-new-era-for-data-protection-i...

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by vidarh »

Longhanks wrote: post #110
vidarh wrote: post #109

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The point is that it was constructed largely as a convenient a fiction intended to mollify the Swiss electorate after they voted no to the EEA, as the bulk of the "separate" bilateral treaties can't be separated, altered or cancelled without all of them being canceled by the guillotine clause, as Switzerland has already found out once, so there is no difference in the difficulty of cancellations, for example - you ca…

Well, judging by how incredibly many EU citizens emigrate to Switzerland, which is directly caused by the bilateral treaties, there's certainly interest from both parties to negotiate. Switzerland also pays raw cash to the EU as part of the deal. I'm not sure how long the EU can afford to further alienate countries that pay net positive into it's wallet, after losing the UK and the continuing rise of euroscepticism.

The current round of negotiations were directly triggered by Switzerland trying to restrict freedom of movement and realizing they couldn't do that without cancelling all the treaties.

The EU can afford to stick to its guns in this indefinitely. It's made it clear for a decade that any change to the treaties with Switzerland can contain minor concessions, but only in return for a bet reduction in the deviations from the EEA framework.

With respect to euro scepticism, that largely fell apart thanks to Brexit - most of the parties arguing for the same for their countries have moderated their stances significantly, and support for the EU increased massively. Including in the UK where Brexit is widely seen as a massive mistake, and it's more a question of electoral calculus (neither of the big parties can afford to alienate the Brexit diehards yet; they're spread across the political labdscape) than anything else when rejoining gets in the political agenda.

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by vidarh »

vidarh wrote: post #114
Longhanks wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, judging by how incredibly many EU citizens emigrate to Switzerland, which is directly caused by the bilateral treaties, there's certainly interest from both parties to negotiate. Switzerland also pays raw cash to the EU as part of the deal. I'm not sure how long the EU can afford to further alienate countries that pay net positive into it's wallet, after losing the UK and the continuing rise of euroscepticism.

The current round of negotiations were directly triggered by Switzerland trying to restrict freedom of movement and realizing they couldn't do that without cancelling all the treaties. The EU can afford to stick to its guns in this indefinitely. It's made it clear for a decade that any change to the treaties with Switzerland can contain minor concessions, but only in return for a bet reduction in the deviations from…

"big reduction", not "bet reduction"...

As an addition re: the reduction in euroscepticism, according to Pew Research, between 2016 and 2019, the proportion of people with a favorable view of the EU rose 26 percentage points in Greece, 19 in Germany, 19 in Spain, 18 in Sweden 15 in the Netherlands, 13 in France, 12 in Poland, 10 *in the UK, 6 in Hungary. In 2022, a EU parliament survey showed overall support for the EU across member states was at a 15 year high, also much thanks to the Brexit bounce. In 2023, the European Parliament Eurobarameter - Autumn 2023 survey showed 72% of EU citizens think that their country has benefited from being a member of the EU, and only 22% thinks it has not.

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by b3lvedere »

saintfire wrote: post #92
sebastianconcpt wrote: post #45

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Okay but then how can marketeers do that and still go to heaven?

What do you mean? They save you 10%. What more do you want?

It sill amazes me how peope think 10% discount is such a wonderful deal, it is not. Sure, it is something, but it's not huge.

Same thing as when you get 3 for the price of 2, which is also not a huge deal despite what you might think.

Re: Deletion of user account

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

b3lvedere wrote: post #116
saintfire wrote: post #92

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What do you mean? They save you 10%. What more do you want?

It sill amazes me how peope think 10% discount is such a wonderful deal, it is not. Sure, it is something, but it's not huge. Same thing as when you get 3 for the price of 2, which is also not a huge deal despite what you might think.

I took it that he was being sarcastic in that comment. Only the mafia would charge you for making you the favor of removing you a problem that themselves created.

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