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It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by paulpauper »

alecst wrote: post #91
mint2 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we’re focusing on the anecdotal part to ignore the part where I point out the naive reading of his conjecture literally defies thermodynamics? I pointed out it’s literally impossible for it to work for a subset of the population. Over a hundred thousand endurance athletes in just the USA would have to literally defy the laws of thermodynamics for the naive reading to work. I can see why the question ignored that a…

Pontzer's work isn't about napping. It's about your body having a set point for how many calories it burns, independent (up to a factor of +/- a few hundred calories) of how much exercise you do. For most people this is true, as their work shows. It may not be true for extreme athletes. I don't think Pontzer's team of dozens of people working over ten years misunderstood basic thermodynamics. Their work clearly point…

I guess I'm not really sure where your beef is.

he's being pedantic. no use bothering to argue

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by red-iron-pine »

paulpauper wrote: post #110
specproc wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is obsessively into exercise. It might be because a trip to the doctors for anything short of a bullet to the head invariably involves being told to exercise more.

and still a lower life expectancy compared to the US, goes to show how better medical care trumps exercise

NHS problems notwithstanding, US healthcare is garbage unless you're getting paid $80k+ per year. The 37k per annum suckers, which is about half the country, don't have a lot of options and die earlier because of it.

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by red-iron-pine »

monero-xmr wrote: post #30
throwaway22032 wrote: post #22

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Completely agree with this. I'm fitter (can run further, lift more, more aesthetic figure) than I was in my late teens / early twenties and it was all down to one decision - I stopped prioritising maximum income and started prioritising fitness and diet. Not everyone wants to do that, and with pre existing health and lifestyle choices it can be much more challenging for some than for others. But it's there as a choic…

You don’t have to stop maximizing income in order to get fit and healthy. I schedule time to work out in my calendar. My wife and I prioritize workouts as necessary time. You can eat at a restaurant and order healthy options and drink water. People who blame their work for being unhealthy are making excuses. I’ve worked 60 - 70 hours a week for 2 decades and I’m in excellent physical condition.

> I’ve worked 60 - 70 hours a week for 2 decades and I’m in excellent physical condition.

That's not a great flex. Don't be proud of working those hours mon ami. I'm glad youre healthy tho

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by red-iron-pine »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #93
mint2 wrote: post #62

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2 to 3 hours in a gym, (especially casual weights) does not even come close to scratching the surface of all the reduced activity that comes with office jobs, commutes and screen oriented amusement.

2-3 hours how often?

presumably daily

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by jhp123 »

paulpauper wrote: post #110
specproc wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is obsessively into exercise. It might be because a trip to the doctors for anything short of a bullet to the head invariably involves being told to exercise more.

and still a lower life expectancy compared to the US, goes to show how better medical care trumps exercise

where are you seeing a lower life expectancy for the UK vs US?

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by mint2 »

paulpauper wrote: post #111
alecst wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pontzer's work isn't about napping. It's about your body having a set point for how many calories it burns, independent (up to a factor of +/- a few hundred calories) of how much exercise you do. For most people this is true, as their work shows. It may not be true for extreme athletes. I don't think Pontzer's team of dozens of people working over ten years misunderstood basic thermodynamics. Their work clearly point…

I guess I'm not really sure where your beef is. he's being pedantic. no use bothering to argue

Pontzers work shows that a 150lb male, dependent on their activity they can burn anywhere between 2000 to 3750 calories on average per day in a maintainable fashion that can go on for years. I.e activity is highly impactful to total daily caloric expenditure.

Moreover, they also showed that exercise beyond that upper limit of 2.5x the base metabolic rate is very possible for temporary durations, weeks even. The extra energy comes from stores like fat and obvious is not sustainable over years.

Even at minor increases of daily exercise for sedentary people, a regular 400 calories of exercise in one study, leads to increased total daily expenditure of around 225-250 after the body is fully adapted.

If that’s not your understanding of pontzer’s works then there is nothing pedantic about my comments. But it’s understandable if you’ve been confused because pontzer has almost willfully obfuscated the actual interpretation of his groups data. Their actual data & equations versus how they message them and explain their findings is shameful.

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by xenospn »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #7

You see this often with middle class city people in their late 20s and 30s. You go from being athletic in high school and walking all day in college to suddenly being in your prime dating age, regularly out eating and drinking with friends or dates, hitting 2-3 cocktails a few nights a week. You start investing more into your ultra-sedentary career, which you drive to, which constantly requires more of your time to g…

“People in Europe metabolize differently, that’s why they’re so skinny”

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by xenospn »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #92
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #7

You see this often with middle class city people in their late 20s and 30s. You go from being athletic in high school and walking all day in college to suddenly being in your prime dating age, regularly out eating and drinking with friends or dates, hitting 2-3 cocktails a few nights a week. You start investing more into your ultra-sedentary career, which you drive to, which constantly requires more of your time to g…

Your version is a little low on the drinking calories in my opinion. I was skinny as a rail until my wife and I got together when I was 23 and started going to reverse happy hour at TGIFridays, Applebees, etc pretty much every night. Add drinking roughly another six pack most nights after the reverse happy hour along with smoking weed + more munchies and I never had a chance no matter how much exercise I did. I proba…

Six beers AFTER happy hour?

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by dukeyukey »

paulpauper wrote: post #110
specproc wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is obsessively into exercise. It might be because a trip to the doctors for anything short of a bullet to the head invariably involves being told to exercise more.

and still a lower life expectancy compared to the US, goes to show how better medical care trumps exercise

UK life expectancy is around 4-5 years higher than the US. I love the US and would absolutely move there given a working visa, but ya gotta be honest about this.

Re: It's not your age that's slowing your metabolism, new research says (2021)

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Post by xenospn »

paulpauper wrote: post #110
specproc wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is obsessively into exercise. It might be because a trip to the doctors for anything short of a bullet to the head invariably involves being told to exercise more.

and still a lower life expectancy compared to the US, goes to show how better medical care trumps exercise

Hmm? Both of your statements are not true.
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