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EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by thereddaikon »

Ringz wrote: post #108
thereddaikon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is this just Russian opinion making? uhh my comment is objectively anti russian and accuses the greens of playing into their hands. And I don't see how your comment refutes what I said. If anything it makes the case that not just the greens are anti nuclear but Germans in general have lost the plot and gone anti nuclear. Probably not the point you wanted to make, but there it is.

It was exactly the point I wanted to make. And you proofed it. Let me cite myself: „1. The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone:“ But: You think „The same Germany where the "Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants and buy more gas from the Russians. Truly clown world.“ is good style and promotes factual, also political, discussion? I believe that it is not and thus promotes the divisio…

I disagree, calling out Russian influence does not do them a favor. It clears the air. I called out the Greens specifically because they have the gall to call themselves the Green party when they support the opposite. And to probably misquote Linus, "Just because I say I like hotdogs doesn't mean I hate hamburgers." I didn't comment on the rest of German politics, nor should I have to in order to avoid accusations of "doing Russia's work". But yes, a great deal of German politics has been compromised for awhile now. The AFD is self explanatory but the SPD and CDU has their fair share of problems too. Schroder and Merkel both had pro Russian policies.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by FinnKuhn »

Ringz wrote: post #80
FinnKuhn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my milk bottle caps (in Germany) are not attached to anything?

They are. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039932

As far as I can see this is only for "single-use plastic beverage bottles" and not milk cartons. I have seen the attached caps on Cola bottles for example, but neither glass bottles or milk cartons.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by xela79 »

p410n3 wrote: post #9

Personal anecdotes ahaead: I'm German. My grandpa was an electrical engineer. He is very enthusiastic about his PHEV and talks about it alot. He bought one because not only is he interested, but also PHEV sales got heavily subsidized (i think like 6000€ or smth) and so many people bought one in his area as well. Apparently, a surprising amount of old middle class German people bought PHEVs and literally never charge…

I find the EV only range of those PHEV abysmal, at 60km in the summer with this Mercedes PHEV we have (and 30km in the winter), it hardly covers commute. If they at least remade the balance to have at least 100km in winter for range, that the % of EV only driving would skyrocket.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by xela79 »

grepfru_it wrote: post #90
Neil44 wrote: post #24

I have a BMW PHEV, so much depends on your use cycle and whether or not you charge it. I have cheap electricity from 12:30am to 4:30am for charging every night. If I just do the school run and a trip to the shops in it I would never need petrol. But in the winter I can't get to the office and back on electricity only which is a shame. If I never charge it it works as a normal hybrid and I get low 40's UK MPG, which i…

For comparison my 240hp awd non-hybrid vehicle gets about 34mpg

PHEV with 230BHP on ICE motor only does 39mpg

with mixed driving in winter with charging 78mpg

with mixed driving in summer with charging 117mpg

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by ac29 »

prmoustache wrote: post #107
ac29 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are only parking space with charging available for 2 cars in a 4km radius in my neighborhood. Charging that is anyway not cost effective. I wonder if the two things are related. There are hundreds of EV chargers within 4km of where I live and on average they are 20-50% cheaper than charging at home (with the exception of fast chargers, which are pretty expensive).

Even if the price were right, would I want to have to check every couple of hours if the parking space is available for me to charge my vehicle? These parking spaces are mostly used by visitors because EVs aren't convenient enough for locals.

I'm not going to argue that public EV charging is always convenient. It certainly sounds like it isnt where you are.

But where I am, >95% of chargers have real time availability via app or web. You can schedule notifications for when a charger is free, and some charging networks even let you reserve chargers ahead of time.

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Post by gruturo »

sp332 wrote: post #4

"these vehicles are currently not realizing their potential, largely because they are not being charged and driven fully electrically as frequently as assumed" That's crazy to me, gasoline is so much more expensive than electricity, why wouldn't people charge the batteries more often?

Because most of these (PHEV) vehicles have a completely laughable EV range. For many commutes you’d have to plug in every ${DEITY}damn time you get home and likewise in the office, every day. Good luck if you have street parking at home or if your work only offers a handful of chargers (or zero).

The truth is that all of this was entirely foreseeable and PHEVs should never have been incentivized, but especially in Germany, the government is very, very much under the influence of big carmakers, and they were years behind in BEVs, so they had their way.

Re: EU data shows PHEVs emit 350% more CO2 than tested values

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Post by tdullien »

ImJamal wrote: post #99
tdullien wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was Merkel that ended up doing it, while the Greens were not in power.

Remind me who shut down the Stade Nuclear Power Plant in 2003 and the Obrigheim Nuclear Power Plant in 2005.

And who shut down the next 10?
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