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Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by MrFoof »

georgespencer wrote: post #23
rkudeshi wrote: post #15

Summary for anyone who can't listen: * Dan says John emailed him and just said it was time to move on and try something new. Dan says he has total respect and understanding for that. * Dan says he thought if they weren't doing the show anymore, they would retire it together. Surprised and disappointed that John's doing the show on his own and re-using the name. * Dan wishes they could have done one last episode to re…

Like everyone is saying, Dan comes across really well in this. I don't expect JG will ever give us his take. RE: never listening to any 5by5 podcasts–I listened to The Talk Show a few times. Maybe it's because I'm used to the dogma of professional broadcasting, but I don't think you've missed out unless you like hearing a couple of guys pause a hell of a lot during an awkward conversation. Almost every episode I hear…

>Almost every episode I heard started with an entirely charmless "Uh, hello?" "Uh is this on?" scenario. I guess part of the appeal was that it was folksy and just a conversation.

This is called a warm start, though in the case of the Talk Show, it often started off awkwardly instead of seemingly mid-conversation.

If you listen to the old Stack Overflow podcasts (Spolsky and Atwood, before the "new format), they also did a warm start, but often it was extremely well-executed.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by WiseWeasel »

mahmud wrote: post #48

Who listens to IT podcasts? the world is full of rich and wonderful media broaden your horizons, listen to something that isn't backdated garbage. Imagine all the music genres you could discover, educational materials, languages you could learn, audiobooks ..

backdated garbage

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by Dramatize »

runjake wrote: post #41
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like all the people on the 5by5 podcasts but this is exactly why I don't listen to them. I wish instead of doing 1 hour 15, they'd do 15 minutes planning, 15 minutes editing and a 45 minute show. There's plenty of good material there, I just feel it gets drowned out.

Possible tip: Use a dedicated podcast app with playback speed-up functionality. I use Downcast on iOS and DoggCatcher on Android. Gruber, with his slow speaking and uncomfortable pauses, is much more tolerable at 1.5x. Conversely, if you're listening to someone like Merlin Mann, 0.75x speed can be helpful.

I'm listening to all my podcasts at 2.5x speed. That seems like the limit before it starts to sound weird.

Your brain can understand speech much faster than most people talk.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

JeanMertz wrote: post #98
anon808 wrote: post #61

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"Dan Benjamin comes across in this audio clip as a total class act." He definitely comes across as that, but I'm not sure he is. My gut tells me there was more meaning behind this that none of us are owed, creating public content from it maybe not be the right move; it shows bigger class not to talk about it.

Dan is "on the air" several hours a week. He also has several high profile co-hosts on the air 1+ hour a week. He is also pretty active on Twitter. Plus he has million(s) of fans/listeners of his shows. How on earth could he let this go without mentioning it in any way? He couldn't have possibly instructed all his co-hosts not to talk about this situation. Him being a radio man through the bones (as he recently again…

While I appear to be in a minority, I thought the first episode of the Mule Radio version of TTS was better than the 5by5 version usually was. Yes, it was still rambling, but Gruber was engaged and animated, and that gave the show energy that hasn't been there for a while. The 5by5 version increasingly came across like "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Phone It In."

I really do like 5by5 in general and at least four of their shows are in my standard rotation -- like everyone else commenting seems to be saying, "Hypercritical" is great, with "Back to Work" a close second. "The Ihnatko Almanac" is a fine not-tech show. I like "Build & Analyze" too, although I'm worried it may exceed my quota for parenting-related subjects. (As a childless middle-aged man, it's just so not in my bailiwick.)

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by slantyyz »

achompas wrote: post #97
protomyth wrote: post #86

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When you live your life off the advertising dollars directed at your audience, it seems like an odd way of commentary.

Right. I hope this isn't Gruber's intent, given that he monetizes his brand (i.e. him ) by selling shirts and appearing at conferences. You can't really dictate the terms for interaction when you when you're such a public figure. If he is saying what GP is suggesting, well, that's the problem with building a cult of personality around yourself: people might buy in a bit too fervently.

Gruber used to have a lot of interesting stuff to say.

In the same way that Jay Leno used to be one of the funniest comics in the 80s and now resorts to Jaywalking to keep his audience, I find DF to be a little boring, consisting of mainly claim chowder, Android schadenfreude, and the occasional long winded rant essay that goes nowhere.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by slantyyz »

barredo wrote: post #59
simonh wrote: post #43

Does anyone else find it amusing that the title of the latest post on daring Fireball is "Why wasn't I consulted?".

A year old article about "internet people" having some sense of entitlement about other's work? Hardly a coincidence. It's Gruber's answer to the HN thread & tweets of last week.

In a previous life, Gruber might have called himself the "Jackass of the Week" for posting such a link, given how he makes his living from preaching to the choir.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by erifneerg »

evan_ wrote: post #95
erifneerg wrote: post #93

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I didn't hear him encouraging Mule Radio or any mention of mule. He just says Gruber started the show on his own.

Then you missed it- starting at 4:17 he says "I do really want to wish John all the best with anything he does, including his new show, and I encourage you to give it a try too. You can check it out at its new home on muleradio.net."

ah, yea totally missed that. thanks.

Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show

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Post by awolf »

guywithabike wrote: post #66
Tloewald wrote: post #12

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I agree, and if it's true that John took the show's name without even giving Dan advance notice let alone asking permission, then I'm disappointed. I'm curious in general about mule's split from Dan. I loved the original "fuck you, pay me" but never got into "let's make mistakes" and was surprised that they split off 5by5 (and now appear to be poaching) but I'd like to hear the other side...

Let's Make Mistakes didn't "split off". They paid to be on the 5by5 network and once they established themselves, they moved it to their own network. No funny business there, basically.

I've been curious about that myself. You say that Mike and Katy paid to be on 5by5. How do you know this? I would assume that the arrangement would simply to have shared a portion of the sponsorship money with 5by5.
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