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China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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People “freak out” for good reason. People need to understand just how insidious the communist party’s methods are.

Do you have any idea about the US's methods? You may want to pick up a history book to see how insidious the American methods are.

This doesn't make the CCP's methods any less insidious.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Kirin wasn't ahead, they were "just" head to head with Qualcomm. But that's not very hard if you use generic ARM design and can pay for the BEST TSMC node. Producing good/great ARM SoCs is simply a function of producing in TSMC. The reason why Google abd Samsung SoCs are mediocre is that they produce them in Samsung fabs.

You're also mistaken. Qualcomm rarely used "generic" cores. Just like Apple, they had their own custom designs(Kryo) based on the generic specs(Cortex), which were instruction compatible but more efficient, that being one of the reason why they were ahead of the competition using generic ARM cores on TSMC, like MediaTek.

I was talking about Kirin who did use the generic cores. Qualcomm had at times their customized cores closer or farther from the generic design, with mixed success.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Seems like a signal that they see the trade consequences of invading Taiwan, and they're going to put things in motion such that they'll be prepared to be able to handle them.

It seems like an obvious response to sanctions and denying access to lithography equipment. Let's return back to the reality where China isn't presently invading Taiwan, but is a target of containment attempts.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Artificially restricting yourself to inferior silicon is a great way to boost your economy. /s

They are pouring lots of effort into their own EUV lithography tools. Given the complexity of the ASML approach, I bet China will have the best (cheapest at leading nodes) litho tools on earth in 15 years. They'll also have world class designs based on RISC-V. They are playing a long game.

This is nonsense and assumes the Chinese are just better than everyone else and will 'win in the end'.

The real issue is that China is an oppressive totalitarian state and that's counterproductive to the innovation and creativity that is actually needed to compete and succeed.

China will obviously do well in some areas it has a natural advantage in, we've already seen those, meanwhile it'll go backwards overall. Not because it can't catch up, but because the game will change in ways it can't foresee or understand.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Do you have any idea about the US's methods? You may want to pick up a history book to see how insidious the American methods are.

This doesn't make the CCP's methods any less insidious.

Sure, if you compare a pickpocket with a rapist, the pickpocket is still bad.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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That’s a hilarious directive since their homegrown CPU is 900 MHz. They are on something like a 30nm die. There is just no way they can transition to those chips in modern devices. This sounds like exactly the sort of order that would come from Xi. He’s living in his information bubble and is excited to go to war.

No, they are not that far behind. You're thinking of Longsoon I guess, but they have a 7nm process at SMIC and Hisilicon designing ARM-based server processors on it[1]. Sure, ARM is western, but guess what, they have the IP anyway, as they required ARM to do business through a subsidiary in China. China is serious about semiconductors. Hisilicon is competitive in many markets. [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp…

As if China needs to worry about IP rights anyway.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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Yeah, lets make sure the cheap gadgets made under a socio-political system we consider abusive keep coming.

At this point there is no alternative. We need their production capacity so the wheels back home can keep on spinning.

I know you are speaking the truth, at present, but that doesn't mean it is healthy, or that we must accept it as the inevitable future.

Re: China Tells Telecom Carriers to Phase Out Foreign Chips in Blow to Intel, AMD

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They won't, for the same reason the USSR didn't. The people making these chinese goods are part of the government. They're also part of a government that will literally kill them if they're not the best at everything, and of course they will fuck up some bits. So they will outlaw access to foreign technology, to hide how they're "embarassing the Chinese state". Because totalitarian ideologies ... they can't fix reali…

Spoken like someone with no clue about China apart from social media. Talk to any Chinese entrepreneur and you'll know the competition is much more strong and ruthless than in West. Even for capital intensive high tech industries like EV and mobile you'll find more companies than rest of world put together.

Well, I've talked to two important Chinese officials (important enough to be in the "Hall of the People", but nobody you would know), and both were of this opinion. The CCP tolerates ZERO mistakes from it's officials. Merely not making any mistakes is not enough, it's just table stakes. Like passing the exam.
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