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Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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> When the media device pauses the media content, the display device can determine that a pause event has occurred and insert an ad shown on the display device. Hilarious. I love how all the streaming companies are hijacking the pause control now. Why do you think I hit pause? Pick one or more of the following: 1. I need to go to the bathroom. 2. I want to inspect the current frame more carefully. 3. I want to see an…

4. I got a phone call and I want TV to be quiet for its duration.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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In my grandparent comment I mentioned “fairly priced products” - if the price (including ad removal) is fair and the product is good, I have no problems with paying.

What's a reasonable amount, in your opinion, to disable ads on a piece of hardware you purchased (i.e a Roku) to watch your own locally streamed media?

If that was added after I bought the product, zero for sure. If I knew about the cost upfront - whatever I’d be fine with at the time of purchase. Then again, likely a competing device without a subscription would be of better value.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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I still hate that turning off one of my monitors moves the windows to the other still on monitor...

Funny, on my gaming windows computer I turn off my OLED monitor BEFORE I turn off the computer to let it do its special processing reliably. I’ve had the opposite issue to yours, several windows will remain on the turned off monitor! I have that one on HDMI and the second monitor on a DP connection.

HDMI monitors don't report being disconnected when turned off.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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I still hate that turning off one of my monitors moves the windows to the other still on monitor...

...that seems like a really good and intuitive feature. What would expect it to do instead? Close the window? Keep it on some invisible virtual desktop? (how large is the mysterious off-screen area in which windows can be lost?)

I expect the same behavior as HDMI, VGA and DVI: the windows stay until the screen is physically disconnected.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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I haven’t used pirate bay for a long time as I can simply buy or rent the material I want However start putting adverts in that and it’s changes, it’s either “don’t watch at all” or “get from pirate bay (or elsewhere)”, because the product I want isn’t available. 20 years ago I used to get tv from places like irc because it was the only way to get the material. 25 years ago I hd no choice by to wait for the vhs to co…

The core problem is that, as a amorphous class, consumers are more price sensitive than quality sensitive, and those that aren't tend to have very little price sensitivity. So the profit-optimal solution is to charge your minority of price insensitive users through the nose, and extract value from the price sensitive by enshitiffying your service. This sucks for those of us in the middle ground (having taste but not…

I like this summary, seems spot on.

This enshittification part looks especially interesting to me. For that you need a user base. So I guess any rules promoting fair competition would be relevant and pro consumer in this context. If the users can easily migrate to a non-enshittified provider, then all is well.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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post #94

Reason #27,621,938 to stop watching TV. The media creators hate you, the device manufacturers hate you, the streaming companies hate you. It’s amazing what hoops people are willing to jump through in order to poison their own minds.

Yeah, all that mind poison from nature and science education, documentaries, great films and TV shows that entertain and help us experience the human condition through great visual art and storytelling. Are you from 1950?

No, just someone who managed to keep his sanity in the onslaught of advertising, someone who sees the forest through the trees.

As to the nature and science education, documentaries, great films and TV shows that entertain and help us experience the human condition through great visual art and storytelling, those can be had without subjecting yourself to advertising (other than whatever advertising they put in the programs themselves) by using ad-free platforms like Jellyfin or Kodi running on whatever available piece of hardware (old laptop with broken screen and keyboard, SBC, discless workstation, ...). There is no reason to give in to the ad juggernaut, it can not force your door or pry open your eyelids to force you to watch. Just don't use anything which pushes ads and you're set.

This is not fantasy, it is the daily reality of countless individuals and families. You don't need to give in to the advertising industry.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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I'd start with the question: where do you want them to go? Windowing systems generally don't have a 'limbo' where windows can live without being displayable, and that probably isn't what you want, either. Do you want them all to auto-minimize? You can probably get that. But it starts with answering the question.

I could imagine a tiling window manager like sway having a "temporarily gone" pseudo-workspace that holds windows that were on another monitor until you plug it back in or pull them to another workspace. Or to remember that workspaces 1, 3, and 5 were on another monitor recently, and to put them back there when you plug back in.

Sway does the latter. When you have multiple displays, every workspace gets assigned to a display. When you remove a display, those workspaces move onto a remaining display, but, importantly, every window stays on the workspace it was on, so you don't get shuffling and rearranging windows. When you plug that display back in, those workspaces go back to that display. I get that there's no "perfect" way to handle this situation, but the way Sway does it is so much more simple and predictable than Gnome or Windows.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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anyone know if theres a way to fix this?

Dual monitor KVM with EDID emulation. Cheap with HDMI. Still pricey for the few DP switches out there that support it.

Or even cheaper, there are little HDMI EDID emulation dongles. That said, you end up with windows staying on unreachable displays, so it's not always the best solution.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Don't worry, there will be a small monthly subscription of $9.99 to disable them! Or if you buy the new Roku Plus Extreme you can opt-out of personalized ads! What more could you want?

This comment is crazy. There's no reasonable way to fund a service without either ads or direct payment.

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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#120

Can anyone explain why there doesn’t seem to be a market for high-end dumb TVs? I want speakers, tuner, multiple inputs, HDR, 4K. That’s it. I would absolutely pay a premium price for such a dumb TV. I know others in the same position. Am I just in an echo chamber? Or is there something more going on?

Because it's already nearly free to add 'smart' functionality to a TV? High end boards these days are mostly arm boards at first place, and add a smart tv function to it don't really cost too much cents. (You probably just need some extra storage) Why would they want to sell a dumb TV if you can make it a smart one almost for free?

And if you include the smart tv board, you can then lower the purchase price of the TV and make it up on ads and subscriptions. The resulting price competition on smart TVs is what makes it hard to buy dumb TVs.
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