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Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by whimsicalism »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #34
whimsicalism wrote: post #32

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> Ok, but if there's no reason? If there is no reason, why were you fired? You can easily google/ask chatgpt the answer to your questions - the answer is that some companies are nowadays very risk averse in laying people off precisely because they are afraid of discrimination lawsuits, which is why they generally have very solid documentation of performance problems (hence the reason for the modern Performance Improv…

>If there is no reason, why were you fired? Behause they can? To cover their ass? I duuno. I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued. They just terminate your contract and let you know they terminate your contract by giving you your notice and that's that, you're gone in 30-90 d…

Not providing a reason is often insufficient to defend against a good discrimination lawsuit, especially after discovery.

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Post by whimsicalism »

kelipso wrote: post #110
wakawaka28 wrote: post #83

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Some people will hit each other up for paid references. The guy doing the referral can get paid by the new hire and the company. Idk what threshold of acquaintance is enough for a referral, but the worst things you can imagine have been done and are even routine in some places.

Referrals are encouraged by internal recruiters in most companies...and they incentivize it with a few thousand dollars for a successful hire. Why are you making it sound so nefarious?

obviously being paid by the hire for a referral is wrong?

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Post by whimsicalism »

com2kid wrote: post #15
pylua wrote: post #2

Paywall, but it is clear that companies are literally starving for cheap labor. They are willing to do anything, including bringing over workers on potentially inappropriate visas ( I am not a lawyer, just what I have seen). Honestly I am surprised that they didn’t just hire directly in India.

Hot take, solving housing prices on the west coast would provide a huge boost to the US economy. The nightmare that city councils in the Bay Area and the Seattle metro have caused are detrimental to America as a whole.

The US simply has massive unmet demand for agglomeration and nowhere is providing it

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Post by wkat4242 »

gambiting wrote: post #107
wkat4242 wrote: post #105

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Wow, I had no idea we even had at will employment anywhere in Europe! Like here in Spain if I'd get fired I would get a redundancy package for sure. And of course France has even better protections (we're all jealous of their 2 months holidays of course :P ). I'm not sure if we're unionised though. Thanks for letting me know. I was not really considering it as a place to live but I won't now - especially as I'm getti…

UK is completely 100% at will within the first 2 years of your employment, no redundancy package in that time either. In the first 2 years you can be let go without any reason, only after 2 years your employer has to make you redundant to let you go.

Oh but that's like a trial period. We have that everywhere in the EU, just not that long :) Normally it's between 1 month and a year.

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Post by wakawaka28 »

kelipso wrote: post #110
wakawaka28 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people will hit each other up for paid references. The guy doing the referral can get paid by the new hire and the company. Idk what threshold of acquaintance is enough for a referral, but the worst things you can imagine have been done and are even routine in some places.

Referrals are encouraged by internal recruiters in most companies...and they incentivize it with a few thousand dollars for a successful hire. Why are you making it sound so nefarious?

It's normal for companies to pay for referrals based on personal familiarity, but not for candidates to pay for fake recommendations. Outside of a fully disclosed consultancy-type arrangement, it is unacceptable for the candidate to pay anything to the referrer.

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Post by dragonwriter »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #85
dragonwriter wrote: post #81

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> Yes, in fact currently I am working in a team which has a disproportionate percentage of Iranians. They too like to hire Iranians. I wouldn’t have any problem with any of this if eg it was OK for Americans to prefer Americans too. In the US, it is no more OK, legally, to discriminate in hiring on the basis of nationality for any nationality compared to any other.

There is an exception for work that must be done by US citizens though. No country permits foreigners to do certain security-sensitive jobs, generally.

There are places where firms are compelled by regulations to hire people who are currently US citizens, sure. That's not really employer-discretionary (and I really should have said ethnicity or national origin, and not nationality, anyway.)

But even then, it is not, as suggested upthread, more OK for Iranians to hire Iranians than for Americans to hire Americans, whether talking about nationality, national origin, or ethnicity. (Fir nationality, there are narrow cases where the latter is mandatory and the former is prohibited no matter who is hiring, sure, but that's the opposite of what was suggested.)

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Post by dragonwriter »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #99
RhysU wrote: post #93

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US citizens come from many historical nationalities. I would wager that conditioning on US citizenship is less restrictive than conditioning on any other citizenship when seeking diverse historical nationality.

There are exceptions to everything. But only native-born US citizens are eligible for some jobs, e.g. in the military. Other countries may be even more particular and require your parents to be natives too. This is not discrimination but plain old common sense. What foreigner or foreign-adjacent person can really be trusted? If there is an exception to be made, the trust extended must be minimal.

> But only native-born US citizens are eligible for some jobs, e.g. in the military.

There are exactly two jobs where that is required, and only one is kind-of in the military, in that it is legally the apex of all military chains of command.

(There are other security-related, especially in the military, jobs where actual or potential dual citizens, the latter more commonly being an issue when people have foreign born parents, may be required to renounce any other citizenship than American.)

It is absolutely discrimination, but legal (and legally-mandatory) discrimination. That it may be “common sense” does not change that it is, absolutely, discrimination.

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Post by gambiting »

wkat4242 wrote: post #114
gambiting wrote: post #107

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UK is completely 100% at will within the first 2 years of your employment, no redundancy package in that time either. In the first 2 years you can be let go without any reason, only after 2 years your employer has to make you redundant to let you go.

Oh but that's like a trial period. We have that everywhere in the EU, just not that long :) Normally it's between 1 month and a year.

Yes but everywhere in the EU you have to call it a probation period, in the UK you can pass your probation and be on a normal full time contract and still if it's your first 2 years you can be let go for any reason.

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Post by kelipso »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #115
kelipso wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Referrals are encouraged by internal recruiters in most companies...and they incentivize it with a few thousand dollars for a successful hire. Why are you making it sound so nefarious?

It's normal for companies to pay for referrals based on personal familiarity, but not for candidates to pay for fake recommendations. Outside of a fully disclosed consultancy-type arrangement, it is unacceptable for the candidate to pay anything to the referrer.

Ohhh, read it wrong.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

slim wrote: post #102
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #92

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It definitely is a lot of Zeihan in there, but a lot of what he says is compelling. I don't necessarily buy the "pirates are coming" because the US abandons patrolling the high seas. I think China can replace its demographic losses in the cities by pulling from the rural areas. But... with the end of oil as a paramount geopolitical concern due to our domestic production and EVs/alt energy ... why would we keep 13 car…

WHy are we doing all this "free defense"? Why are we essentially allowing China to own our production you have it backwards. china is not owning your production, you are exploiting chinese labor. and it's not "free defense" you are bullying sovereign states with your army to extract submission to your exploitative economics

That s the balance sheet bargain: cheap labor.

However, politically China owns your physical factories, and switching production if there's a war over Taiwan is not a two week sprint / 5 point ticket.

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