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Suno, an AI music generator

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Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by chpatrick »

4star3star wrote: post #71
chpatrick wrote: post #41

I think a big issue currently is that the lyric generator often mixes in the description of the style.

Yeah, I asked for an instrumental with clarinets, piano, upright bass, and baritone saxophone, and it was a song with cheesy lyrics about these instruments. If it doesn't understand "instrumental", it just sucks.

I'm sure it's easy to fix because in the custom mode you can put separate lyrics and style, but you can't generate lyrics based on a theme and set your own separate style yet. You can generate lyrics with ChatGPT of course.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by thenickdude »

I generated this song which paired Vocaloid voice-synth style vocals with a "death metal" backup vocalist, it came out really nice:

https://app.suno.ai/song/7decbf5b-bd1b-4e13-8ed5-aa8c7a38b1b...

Lyrics are half generated and half hand-written.

It's a shame that I didn't have any control over which vocalist sang which part, and just kept having to re-roll the dice! In general it offers very little control over the performance.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by rauljordan2020 »

sseagull wrote: post #91
rauljordan2020 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that if I heard this on the radio or in my music streaming recommendations I’d think it’s a banger and would be jamming to it all day. A song I heard from the site earlier blew my mind and my friends were asking me who the artist was. The lines are more blurry than we think. The song made my day and made me emotional and that’s enough for me

Does your perception of the song change depending on who the artist is? What would you think of the piece if the artist was a young girl? A grown Turkish man? Someone who is deaf? A neo-Nazi Holocaust denier? A rich businessman using AI and just looking to make more money? A poor teenager using a computer at their library? I think most people’s like/dislike/perception of the song would be colored by who made it and h…

I see the point here, but I don't know the backstories of the vast majority of artists I listen to. In most of the cases, I just really enjoy the music. For instance, I found a playlist of R&B jams on Apple music the other day, and just kept shuffling through the playlist and it was a great experience. I have no idea who the people behind the music are, but I loved the songs

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by triceratops »

dilap wrote: post #68
eman2d wrote: post #39

"OpenAI faces multiple lawsuits over ChatGPT’s use of books, news articles, and other copyrighted material in its vast corpus of training data. Suno’s founders decline to reveal details of just what data they’re shoveling into their own model, other than the fact that its ability to generate convincing human vocals comes in part because it’s learning from recordings of speech, in addition to music." Surely they own t…

Specifics of the law aside, it seems quite unfair to not allow AI to learn from copyrighted examples. Imagine an aspiring human musician not being allowed to listen to copyrighted music for inspiration!

> it seems quite unfair to not allow AI to learn from copyrighted examples

AIs aren't human. Copyright laws were written for humans.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by vunderba »

joshstrange wrote: post #62
cdme wrote: post #22

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a mi…

Except that that's not what will happen.

The vast majority of people will just use a different AI tool to generate the lyrics, use Suno to make the music, and then use midjourney to generate the album art. And then they'll throw a tasteless post up on Instagram about how they "made a song".

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by TillE »

AirMax98 wrote: post #82

I remember working in a record store about a decade ago and coming to the conclusion that 99% of our (very large/broad) catalog was, to me, terrible music that I would prefer to have never, ever heard. Us warehouse guys would listen to all the new tracks as they came in during our receiving shifts, which sounds nice on paper, but really was much closer to 8 hours of punishment. Lots of really terrible execution of ev…

Sturgeon's Law says 90%, but that is probably an underestimate.

If you trawl YouTube for acoustic covers of rock songs or whatever, it should quickly become apparent that even just making a different arrangement of a song is an incredibly difficult, complex, creative endeavor.

There's mountains of amateur garbage and then there's, like, Molly Tuttle.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by freedomben »

AirMax98 wrote: post #82

I remember working in a record store about a decade ago and coming to the conclusion that 99% of our (very large/broad) catalog was, to me, terrible music that I would prefer to have never, ever heard. Us warehouse guys would listen to all the new tracks as they came in during our receiving shifts, which sounds nice on paper, but really was much closer to 8 hours of punishment. Lots of really terrible execution of ev…

Yep, this matches my experience. I've never worked in a record store, but I had access to a very large catalog, and nearly all of it was terrible music that I wish I'd never heard. It really is remarkable how much the good music is the top 1% or even 0.1% of music made, and the level of quality shoots up rapidly in exponential way as you approach 99ths percentile

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by fennecbutt »

chefandy wrote: post #66
TZubiri wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a prototype, you are numb and spoiled by the speed of technological advancements. Like with good art, you need to learn how to appreciate it, see it not for whether it can be useful to you for 10$, but for what it can be in the future with a cost structure so cheap they can afford to run it on 10$ subscriptions.

> It's also a prototype, you are numb and spoiled by the speed of technological advancements. > Like with good art, you need to learn how to appreciate it, see it not for whether it can be useful to you for 10$, but for what it can be in the future with a cost structure so cheap they can afford to run it on 10$ subscriptions. Nonsense. This isn't a university research team or a FOSS project-- it's a commercial art pr…

It's like you've never played an early access game

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by skeledrew »

basisword wrote: post #76
dilap wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifics of the law aside, it seems quite unfair to not allow AI to learn from copyrighted examples. Imagine an aspiring human musician not being allowed to listen to copyrighted music for inspiration!

Humans and computers are different. It’s perfectly reasonable to treat a human being listening to something and taking inspiration differently from a computer listening to everything ever recorded.

Why is it perfectly reasonable to discriminate against the computer? Would the same apply to someone - with equivalent photographic memory - who listens to a ton of music and is thus inspired?
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