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Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

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Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

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Ordinary psychotic Americans who get upset at me if I ask if I need to take my computer out and put it in a bin? Not sure it’s doing a good job at that.

Not too long ago I got yelled at for leaving my laptop in bag, because the TSA agent was telling everyone to leave them in, but that was only for the line one over from me.

Same, except I was TSA precheck and in the separate line for it.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#112

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I've watched enough YouTube videos, I don't think it's working.

Last year TSA intercepted almost seven thousand firearms at security checkpoints, 93% of which were loaded. So take all those crazy people, then add firearms into their vicinity, or a firearm into the hands of a well-meaning but panicking co-passenger now trying to "secure" a crowd of 300 people 30,000 feet in the air.

Here's a brief article I found about this. They talked to a former security director at LAX who says...

“The majority of folks” who are found with firearms “are what we call low-risk passengers,” Jeffries said. “These are your more frequent travelers. They’re the ones usually in PreCheck. I don’t think there’s any malicious intent. The number one thing that we would hear out there, and I’m sure it still stands to this day, is, ‘I forgot it was in my bag.’”

This maybe more a reflection of how many people in the US own guns and less about people intending to stage some kind of shootout at the airport.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2024/03/03/did-ts...

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#113

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Last year TSA intercepted almost seven thousand firearms at security checkpoints, 93% of which were loaded. So take all those crazy people, then add firearms into their vicinity, or a firearm into the hands of a well-meaning but panicking co-passenger now trying to "secure" a crowd of 300 people 30,000 feet in the air.

Here's a brief article I found about this. They talked to a former security director at LAX who says... “The majority of folks” who are found with firearms “are what we call low-risk passengers,” Jeffries said. “These are your more frequent travelers. They’re the ones usually in PreCheck. I don’t think there’s any malicious intent. The number one thing that we would hear out there, and I’m sure it still stands to thi…

That's believeable, but if one bad guy gets onto a plane with a gun, it's getting hijacked. I can buy the "good guy with a gun" thing in other settings, but not on a plane.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#114
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There's a detterence factor in play. Terrorists won't try to get through precisely because of the intense security.

Six people each bring 50ml tooth paste on a plane, after take off, they combine it to 300ml. What are you gonna do.

Maybe 300ml is still fine, but they set the limit to 50ml so it takes too many people to combine them into something useful. Also idk what a ml is.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#115

Just stop with the stupid/useless take off your shoes, and take your laptops/ipads out of your bags, and I'm fine with the rest.

It seems most airports have stopped asking for devices and toiletries to be removed from your bag. That’s been a nice upgrade.

Most of them still seem to require removing devices. I've only seen a few with the newer machines that don't require it.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

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It's a job program. End of story.

Yes but can we get them to stand somewhere else or do anything else instead of providing negative value? Is there really no job of moderate status that isn't too physically demanding and actually needs doing?

Could have them guard the cockpits on planes.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#117

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Last year TSA intercepted almost seven thousand firearms at security checkpoints, 93% of which were loaded. So take all those crazy people, then add firearms into their vicinity, or a firearm into the hands of a well-meaning but panicking co-passenger now trying to "secure" a crowd of 300 people 30,000 feet in the air.

Here's a brief article I found about this. They talked to a former security director at LAX who says... “The majority of folks” who are found with firearms “are what we call low-risk passengers,” Jeffries said. “These are your more frequent travelers. They’re the ones usually in PreCheck. I don’t think there’s any malicious intent. The number one thing that we would hear out there, and I’m sure it still stands to thi…

I agree, which is why I included the fact that “good guy with gun” is also a gigantic fucking problem on an aircraft.

Drunk guy with gun is a huge problem.

Sleep-deprived guy with gun is a huge problem.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#118

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We…we did. For 87 years of air travel we did. Went pretty darn good. People seemed to have fun with it. They even looked forward to flights. What an odd comment.

Did we? Between 1968-1972 there were 130 hijackings in the US alone. In 1973 the FAA required passenger screening (I don’t know why people are saying screening began in 2001, the TSA was formed and updated screening procedures, but people were definitely already being screened). From 1973 on, hijacking’s dropped considerably. Since 2001 there have been no hijackings in the US. Your comment is the odd one.

Yeah, I don't know if screening was the best solution and don't think the post-9/11 rules make sense, but there was clearly a problem in the past that got solved by screening. Also, nowadays we gotta make sure well-intended passengers don't have a Samsung Note.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#119
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There's a detterence factor in play. Terrorists won't try to get through precisely because of the intense security.

Six people each bring 50ml tooth paste on a plane, after take off, they combine it to 300ml. What are you gonna do.

I was quite shocked after a few years of liquid checks to discover that it is actually in response to a realistic threat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_pl... -- details that emerged during the trial, and the conclusion reported by El Reg: https://www.theregister.com/2008/09/10/liquid_bomb_verdicts/

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#120

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It's not the same level, you don't have to take off your shoes for example. In some airports (like in Haneda) you don't even have to pull anything out of your bag. Bag on the conveyor belt, yourself through the gate and you're done.

That sounds like TSA Precheck, which doing a basic background check to get seems very reasonable.

Except in Haneda there is no precheck, it's this way for all passengers.
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