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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by timthelion »

timthelion wrote: post #110
qwertox wrote: post #83

Wolfram Alpha still has the same old bug: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-3... = 2 years 9 months 27 days https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... = 2 years 9 months 26 days The duration should be identical but is off by one day. One day a space mission will fail due to this bug. Reported several times, they never cared.

Is that a bug? I interpret it as from midnight 2016-04-04 to the first time which has the date 2019-01-31. That includes the full day of 2016-04-04 but nothing from 2019-01-31. This is contrasted with the opposite direction which is midnight 2019-01-31 going backwards, thus not including 2019-01-31 and all the way up till the first time which is 2016-04-04 non-inclusive. Date time arithmetic is weird ;)

OK, I see, but it shows a different value for the absolute number of days, that's weird.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
1970-01-01 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, one vexing thing is the inability of search engines to convert time. 5209s to hours and minutes? Oh, I still need to tell you how to do in steps. Why is this so?

> inability of search engines to convert time. 5209s to hours and minutes? Kagi just resolved “5209 s in h” quite perfectly.

Yes that's the news here, it now does all the math for you. Other search engines don't know how to do it -or- they only do the first step. Your example doesn't do what I asked. I want input to be converted to hours, minutes, and it should ideally give me both outputs: additional remaining seconds and the decimal. Wolfram Alpha's output has what I want, but it also adds what I don't:

Input interpretation

convert 5209 seconds to hours, minutes

     Results

     1 hour 26.82 minutes

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by dotnet00 »

ziddoap wrote: post #106
dotnet00 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi just happens to be pretty popular here, it's how I found out about it.

> Kagi just happens to be pretty popular here _Pretty_ popular? Outside of Rust, Kagi might have the most fanatic following of any topic on HN. Which, while I'm sure Kagi is very happy with, is really rather annoying as a someone who doesn't care for it. Every conversation search-adjacent is just comments of "I pay for Kagi and it was the best dollars I've ever spent".

Yeah that's fair, I can see how the gushing might be annoying to someone who isn't interested.

I tend to just ignore or hide the posts I find very annoying, but I understand that isn't necessarily how everyone is.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #69
1970-01-01 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't work that way in the actual search results: https://kagi.com/search?q=iphone+case+%2450..%2460 All my results are in dollars. And they're not in range.

How do you expect “iphone case $50..$60” to be interpreted as not in dollars?

Show in USD, CAD, EUR, GBP, BTC.. etc.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by qwertox »

timthelion wrote: post #110
qwertox wrote: post #83

Wolfram Alpha still has the same old bug: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-3... = 2 years 9 months 27 days https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... = 2 years 9 months 26 days The duration should be identical but is off by one day. One day a space mission will fail due to this bug. Reported several times, they never cared.

Is that a bug? I interpret it as from midnight 2016-04-04 to the first time which has the date 2019-01-31. That includes the full day of 2016-04-04 but nothing from 2019-01-31. This is contrasted with the opposite direction which is midnight 2019-01-31 going backwards, thus not including 2019-01-31 and all the way up till the first time which is 2016-04-04 non-inclusive. Date time arithmetic is weird ;)

If that were true, then this would be false:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2015-10-2... = 3 years 3 months 10 days

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2015-10-21+to+2019-01-3... = 3 years 3 months 10 days

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by EasyMark »

xaro wrote: post #41
dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

I configured Reddit as a "Lense" (similar to what Kagi uses for things like searching across Forums, or news). With that, now I have a simple toggle at the top of Kagi which allows me to immediately turn a search into a Reddit search.

I've been using site:reddit.com for ages now on ddg.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by pandemic_region »

x0x0 wrote: post #104
flkiwi wrote: post #19

I’ve spent money on things because I had to, I’ve spent money because I wanted to. I have rarely spent money on something because the idea just sounded good and been so consistently pleased with what I received for my investment. It’s not free, but Kagi is a small investment for a vastly improved (and customizable) search experience.

But how will you live with yourself when every search for library documentation or a programming language doesn't flood the first page with expertsexchange, w3schools, geeksforgeeks, favtutor, freecodecamp, and a pile of other tissue-thin content covered with popups?

You haven't lived until you searched and found something useful on expertsexhange. The euphoria is unparalleled.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by genimelineji »

jamessb wrote: post #102
dotnet00 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was actually an outage due to this (their first major outage!) a few weeks ago. Someone was scraping via their API a little too hard, which had unexpected effects on upstream systems. So 100x human search volume is likely to be an issue unless you discuss it with the devs first.

The page with the post-mortem for that outage now gives a 404 error, but was archived by the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20240121000935/https://status.ka... (It was discussed on HN at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39019119 )

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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by ericd »

dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

Really well, I just have Reddit pinned so it’s (almost?) always one of the top results, without having to add “Reddit”. HN is another. Similarly, I have lots of domains that I’ve always hated seeing in results, nuked, so I never see them anymore. Kagi is amazing.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#120

Post by EntropicBrew »

qwertox wrote: post #83

Wolfram Alpha still has the same old bug: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-3... = 2 years 9 months 27 days https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... = 2 years 9 months 26 days The duration should be identical but is off by one day. One day a space mission will fail due to this bug. Reported several times, they never cared.

This is fascinating. Even sillier example, https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... and https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-30+to+2016-04-0...

both show an identical duration of 2 years 9 months 26 days (edit: despite reporting 1032 and 1031 days respectively).

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