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Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by kys_now »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #105
jncfhnb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules of war are completely out the door when one side routinely pretends to be civilian, which is a war crime. Which is not to say it’s just to go committing whichever crimes you want, but discussing legal rights is largely pointless because it is immediately a lawless war.

It is not the first war in which the "good guys" as posthumously determined by us, were disguising themselves as civilians, out of necessity. Multiple resistance groups in WWII to draw inspiration from. I don't know of anyone who would look at the SS/Wehrmacht retaliatory punishment of the nearby civilian population and think, "oh well, that's totally justified due to those pesky resistance groups".

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by screye »

moshun wrote: post #32

For context, a total of 69 journalists were killed in WWII, 63 in the Vietnam war both of which lasted several years. As of today March 6th 2024, the Gaza invasion has left 86 journalists dead in less than 4 months. That is an amazingly high percentage for the expected mean in a conflict. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel... https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2024/02/over-75-of-all-j…

That's a remarkably small number. It makes me think journalists weren't present in the warzone at all.

Irrespective of which side you support, Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected.

However, the numbers being THIS high in this short a time is alarming and tragic.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by jncfhnb »

usrnm wrote: post #92
jncfhnb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules of war are completely out the door when one side routinely pretends to be civilian, which is a war crime. Which is not to say it’s just to go committing whichever crimes you want, but discussing legal rights is largely pointless because it is immediately a lawless war.

By that same logic, fighting crime should not be bound by any laws. After all, criminals break the law by definition so it's perfectly ok to not respect the law when you're fighting them, right?

Fighting crime is not bound by the rules of war, no. There are other rules for that.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by hersko »

CommanderData wrote: post #94
hersko wrote: post #80

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Killing Journalists is bad. .. Then bombing their innocent families homes is bad. We should talk about bad things paid for by our taxes and supported by us indirectly. Discussion on Reddit+HN shutdown/down voted by organized Zionist groups. Also bad.

That doesn't answer my question? A lot of things are bad, most don't make it to the HackerNews front page...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by nsguy »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #95
nsguy wrote: post #61

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Israel has ordered hospitals to evacuate, e.g.: https://healthpolicy-watch.news/who-calls-for-israel-to-resc... I think you're generally wrong on the "they have not been doing" comment. Israel has been giving warnings, and those warnings were intentionally being ignored to maximize the damage to Israel's reputation. But if you have some comprehensive data here I'd be interested in seeing it. From my observation the p…

if Russia says that everyone in the UK has to leave the UK that doesn't give them the right to bomb every hospital in the UK

That's true but if the UK military intentionally embeds in all UK cities, in civilian clothes, and launches rockets at Russia from those cities, and the UK sends raids into Russia to kill Russians and then retreats and mixes with civilian population in the UK, what do you feel is a legitimate move or tactic by Russia to defend its citizens in this hypothetical situation?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by alexvoda »

McNutty wrote: post #13
blurbleblurble wrote: post #6

I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

I believe it is impossible to disentangle non-politics (tech included) from politics because that in itself is a political stance.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by [deleted] »

ninininino wrote: post #108
ethanbond wrote: post #87

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The onus of protecting journalists (and medical workers) falls on the military regardless of how difficult the war they’re trying to prosecute is. How many journalists did the US kill in 20 years of OEF/OIF?

> The onus of protecting journalists (and medical workers) falls on the military regardless of how difficult the war they’re trying to prosecute is. No it doesn't? Just searched the International Criminal Court's English document on war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity for 'journalist' and found no results. https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Ele...

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by henry2023 »

hersko wrote: post #110
henry2023 wrote: post #85

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Well maybe people believe that Genocide = Bad and the rest is just logic

Genocide:The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. Explain how the country that does roof-knocks[1], phone calls[2], and has literally driven its own people out of Gaza[3] in an attempt for peace is attempting to exterminate Palestinians. Learn what words mean before using them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking [2] https://…

Thank you for the definition. Isn’t this precisely what’s happening in Gaza?

Even the ICJ ordered Israel to take steps to prevent any acts of genocide in Gaza. Do they also don’t know the definition of the word?

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