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Re: Home Screen Advantage

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> Apple's no longer a hardware company, they're a platform rent extraction company. Apple still make the vast majority of their revenue from hardware. All of their service revenue combined is only about 20% of their revenue.

Out of curiosity, what is the margin on their service income vs. their hardware income?

It doesn’t matter. They bring in hundreds of billions of dollars per year from hardware. They are definitely still a hardware company.

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post #108

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> It's a policy change that impacts storage I agree. It has a knock-on effect. But their storage policy hasn’t changed, a different policy has. > Seems fair to gloss that as "Removing persistent storage." The problem is when you try to determine their intent from the misunderstanding that they have changed their policy specifically regarding storage . They haven’t done this. Their storage policy is the same as it has…

And yet pretending this new approach to PWAs is somehow business as usual is incredibly disingenuous.

I haven‘t said anything of the sort.

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It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

It's not that easy on Android either. Rooting usually requires a factory reset and several apps (e.g. banking) will not work if they detect the system is rooted. edit: Also, in some cases you lose warranty.

There is no need to root to install software on Android. Rooting is only required for permissions that no app (save pre installed apps), whether installed via Play store or not, can be given.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

No, getting root permissions should not be possible. Having a concept of a super user which can do whatever they want is bad for security and doesn't follow the principle of least privilege. There are better ways for an OS to offer functionality than requiring such a dangerous concept to exist. The fact that desktop and server Linux distros still have a root account, have sudo, or said binaries is evidence of how far…

MacOS also has sudo.

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The number of apologists and distractors in this comments section honestly makes me feel like it's been brigaded. I'm amazed, given how well informed this crowd typically is. As for the topic being discussed - Apple have gone out of their way for the last _decade_ to avoid implementing things like ServiceWorkers properly. I remember having this same conversation back in 2015. It is a real shame, as things like the pr…

Most of the people on this site have either worked for Apple before or hold Apple stock. Regulation is directly reaching into their pockets.

Also obvious by how this post is already on 14th place after 2 hours, with more than 200 votes. (Edit: now 31, 3 hours in)

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Although I agree with the article and the obvious sh!t move Apple is making, one needs to keep making a distinction between PWAs and web apps in general. Not every 'web app' needs local storage or push notifications. Besides, I heard the 'simple' web apps still can have a place on the homescreen. Can anybody with an iPhone tell me if that works like the video from the article? Is it just with an address bar?

The video in the article (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AST12aDGf0Q) shows that PWAs are completely gone. They are degraded to pinned bookmarks that open in your default browser. Yes, you can still pin bookmarks, as you always(?) could, but those are not PWAs.

Only PWAs can offer a true app-like experience.

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#117

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Revenue doesn't really matter, you should look at profits. Amazon makes most of their revenue from the website, but pretty much all of their profits come from cloud. The tech giant business model is to dominate distribution and extract profits by self preferencing. Im sure apple's services division is a good portion of their profits.

> Revenue doesn't really matter Grandparent is claiming that Apple aren’t a hardware company any more. Pointing out that the vast majority of their income comes from hardware is totally relevant. Apple brings in hundreds of billions from selling hardware every year. They are definitely still a hardware company.

The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. In detriment of the user, who once could trust that they were buying a device, but now are getting locked in some subscription schemes.

Apple has passed the event horizon of extracting profits now.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Not an IPhone user: but honesty I'd rather have things open an actual browser tab, as then I can interact with it via all my standard extensions (e.g. adblockers), rather than be opened in a webview. Also, given how often you need to change phones (given build quality), if I have important data and you're a web app, I rather the server be the source of truth, and the phone a cache (so I don't loose data when the phon…

What sort of web experiences are you thinking of here? It kind of seems like you are thinking of websites.

This isn't to say some web apps don't have ads, but then again so do some native apps.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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> Revenue doesn't really matter Grandparent is claiming that Apple aren’t a hardware company any more. Pointing out that the vast majority of their income comes from hardware is totally relevant. Apple brings in hundreds of billions from selling hardware every year. They are definitely still a hardware company.

The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. In detriment of the user, who once could trust that they were buying a device, but now are getting locked in some subscription schemes. Apple has passed the event horizon of extracting profits now.

> The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services.

It’s not though. Apple are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars every year from hardware. That’s not a means to an end, that is the end itself.

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