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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by throwaway041207 »

TMWNN wrote: post #12
rvz wrote: post #4

Well Vice.com destroyed themselves after the founder left and was taken over. Ever since, they ran themselves into the ground and raised so much money all for what? Only for their website to be shut down after being bankrupt. All faster than their own deranged Twitter / X collapse predictions. Nothing of value was lost.

>Nothing of value was lost. Place your bets on what will die next. HuffPo? Vox? Salon (which I know had a near-death experience a few years ago; I doubt its financial health is any better now)?

Vox is diversified enough across publications (sports, trad media like NY mag, vox.com) and platforms (video, movies, etc) that they will be fine. They may never deliver the multiples they promised investors but their investors don't care -- Accel and Allen & Co types didn't put a ton into them, NBCU and Penske are probably just happy Vox hasn't folded like BF and Vice... Vox is solid in the world of media but certainly failed in what they promised to achieve. Still though, just surviving is a high measure of success in the hellscape that is VC funded online media.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by dpezet »

Scoundreller wrote: post #32
nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

> "I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on s3"

That is not zero effort. That is at least 1.2 efforts.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by morkalork »

transcriptase wrote: post #92
1letterunixname wrote: post #30

Once they got funding and on HBO they rested on their behinds, spent too much money, wasted effort on bullshit while neglecting hard journalism, and believed they "arrived." Paper billionaires checked out, some sold out, and their value slowly went to zero because the owners failed to insist on leadership and culture continuity. Sad af and a total waste. Never get complacent.

When you go from: “our employee spent 3 weeks alone filming inside the islamic state” to “what’s up with taylor swift fans and cowboy hats?” … it might be time to jump ship before the layoffs.

From secretly filming inside North Korea to daily content marketing listicles.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by jonnyone »

Scoundreller wrote: post #32
nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

Those Yahoo Groups could be a trove of niche, otherwise uncollected information, especially with regard to vintage or specialty electronics. Removing them was a huge loss.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by hndamien »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

Perhaps an archive to IPFS?

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by hn_acker »

dmix wrote: post #84
geor9e wrote: post #59

Full text: Dear Vice Team, As we navigate the ever-evolving business landscape, we need to adapt and best align our strategies to be more competitive in the long term. After careful consideration and discussion with the board, we have decided to make some fundamental changes to our strategic vision at Vice. We create and produce outstanding original content true to the Vice brand. However, it is no longer cost-effect…

The key bit: > As part of this shift, we will no longer publish content on vice.com @dang can we change the headline to "Vice will no longer publish content on vice.com" instead of implying the website is shutting down? They will obviously keep it around for existing SEO ads and as a brand to sell ads for their other content on other platforms.

> @dang can we change the headline to "Vice will no longer publish content on vice.com" instead of implying the website is shutting down?

I agree with the title you proposed.

> They will obviously keep it around for existing SEO ads and as a brand to sell ads for their other content on other platforms.

Not obvious to me. "publish content on vice.com" can mean "continue serving the existing articles".

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by AlexandrB »

FredPret wrote: post #106
DiscourseFan wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible

This doesn't make sense to me. Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Don't you need a money sink instead of a money source to make low interest rates possible for long periods? In a way that could still be SV's doing though. Garbage companies like Juicero were able to absorb capital from the "real" economy to keep inflation from rising.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by woah »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #75
jp57 wrote: post #63

People still don't realize how many things from the last fifteen years were LIRPs. Low interest rate phenomena doomed the moment investors can get a halfway-decent yield from fixed-income investments.

Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

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