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YouTube addiction, one month sober

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Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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It’s bit weird, but I feel like this conversation about screen time and digital addiction dropped out of the public consciousness during Covid, never to return. Apple released their screen time features in 2018, so this issue was just starting to hit critical mass right as Covid hit and dumped us all deep down the digital rabbit hole. Now I notice even more social proof to keep going deeper into the digital life. Pub…

Age? Social group(s) you're in? I not only don't get confusion from telling anyone I have no social profiles or account on any web service, I can't even recall the last time anyone asked. I suspect the probability of this happening to you depends pretty heavily on the peer group you're interacting with, possibly the country you're in. I continue to meet and exchange contact info with new people every now and again. It's always phone numbers and nobody has asked for anything else.

Hell, as much as it may be a bad thing compared to a healthy information ecosystem and better balance of physical activity with passive video consumption, I'm not even sure an addiction to an algorithmic content feed is all that bad compared to many other alternatives. Consider many countries are still in the midst of epidemics of opioid addiction. I think my wife might be "addicted" to YouTube. She seems more interested in watching endless Bob Ross episodes than anything else in life right now, but ultimately it has her painting and that isn't terrible. She's also an alcoholic and that's an addiction that put her in the ICU for 5 days twice in the decade we've been married. My best friend from high school tried to quit cold turkey in 2016 and died at the age of 36 from physiological withdrawal symptoms because she detoxed at home and not in an ICU. I'd much rather have my wife sucked into algorithmic rabbit holes than finding those duffle bags of empty bottles this author talks about.

While I'm sure there are more productive ways to use your time, YouTube is at least not directly killing anyone, and if you're getting some useful information or entertainment value or both from it, that's a heck of a lot better than other things you could get addicted to.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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My solution has been to redirect the YouTube home page to the subscriptions page. This prevents me from watching recommendations.

I also created a new YouTube account (note this doesn’t require you to create a new Google account), and manually added all my subscriptions. This means it has no data on what to recommend me and so the recommendations are terrible and I never even want to click them.

This encourages me to carefully curate my subscriptions, so I only watch high-quality videos from consistently high-quality channels.

I also have nebula but I find increasingly many of the channels are too low-quality for me. I think this is because my standards have been raised and my detection of low quality has improved. I’m now not sure that it’s worth it for me though.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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It’s bit weird, but I feel like this conversation about screen time and digital addiction dropped out of the public consciousness during Covid, never to return. Apple released their screen time features in 2018, so this issue was just starting to hit critical mass right as Covid hit and dumped us all deep down the digital rabbit hole. Now I notice even more social proof to keep going deeper into the digital life. Pub…

I've seen the opposite. I drastically reduced my smartphone and online time a couple years before Covid, but completely ditched my phone at the end of 2019. It took a few years before I met anyone with my level of dedication, but now I meet them every few months. Most are tech or ex-tech employees, but some are just closer to retirement.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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I’m so addicted to the internet that when I block social media, I find I get quite the similar fix from work Slack. Like browsing channels I have no business being a part of and constantly checking for validation of my comments via emoji reactions. Does anyone know of ways to be a successful work-from-home knowledge worker while also locking down Slack to not be another slot machine?? Does anyone else feel conflicted…

Read books about habit formation and apply the ideas about identifying a trigger to a habit, and altering the response. Most importantly, you can consider identifying and addressing the emotional motivation behind the habit.

I’m a fan of BJ Fogg’s “Tiny Habits” as the book includes memorable summary diagrams, and the author is credible as an active researcher (his work was cited in the lectures of a university course I later took, after reading his book on my own). Alternative books are James Clear’s “Atomic Habits” (which cites BJ Fogg’s work) and Charles Duhigg’s “The Power of Habit.” There is a lot of overlap between the ideas of each book, so you can’t go wrong, though I found that BJ Fogg’s book was the most concise.

The most relevant idea from Fogg’s book is that behaviour is a function of motivation, ability to do a behaviour, and exposure to prompts for the behaviour. From a summary of his book [1]: “B=MAP considers that there are 3 key factors that need to be present for any behaviour (B) to occur: motivation (M), ability (A), and prompts (P). The model proposes that when these three elements are present at any given time, the person is pushed above the ‘threshold’ for action to do the behaviour.”

It sounds like you’ve already thoroughly attempted to change the habit by reducing your ability to engage in the behaviour (via blocking social media). Fogg, in his chapter on changing a habit, strongly recommends addressing the motivational aspect behind the behaviour. You can consider the question: what is it that motivates you to check for emoji reactions? For example, Fogg discusses how a person fixed a sugar consumption habit once she identified that it was a response to grief from losing a loved one, and addressed her grief in a healthier way—this may or may not be relevant to you.

Prompts are also important (via asking yourself: “what prompts the behaviour to check social media?”), as Fogg also recommends using them as a starting point to change your response to a healthier alternative. But he emphasizes the importance of focusing on the motivational aspect, as he wrote that it would not have been enough for the person with the sugar consumption habit to simply replace sugar with a healthier alternative like celery—the motivational aspect was the most important for her case.

[1] https://www.habitweekly.com/models-frameworks/the-fogg-model

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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One thing that made a huge difference for me was turning of my watch history. If you do that you get a message on the homepage saying that it can't recommend videos until you turn on your watch history. Not very visually pleasing but it keeps me from scrolling through recommendations and now I only watch videos when a channel I follow puts out new content or when I choose to specifically search for something.

Oh my, you just saved so much of my time! I had no idea you could control so much. YouTube is so clean now! Thank you.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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I’m so addicted to the internet that when I block social media, I find I get quite the similar fix from work Slack. Like browsing channels I have no business being a part of and constantly checking for validation of my comments via emoji reactions. Does anyone know of ways to be a successful work-from-home knowledge worker while also locking down Slack to not be another slot machine?? Does anyone else feel conflicted…

Agree w/ other comment you need to focus on positive replacement rather than negative enforcement. This is how I'm viewing my use of social media now: I'm basically just lonely. Older and in a new city, few friends and even rarer social contact, outside of (healthy) family life. Social media is my only connection to professionals and other like minded people outside of work, and if I'm not getting much social benefit at work, that's all there is.

So goal is not to eliminate social media, but to recognize why I'm doing it, and look for real-world social (or other constructive) ways of pushing it out.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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It’s bit weird, but I feel like this conversation about screen time and digital addiction dropped out of the public consciousness during Covid, never to return. Apple released their screen time features in 2018, so this issue was just starting to hit critical mass right as Covid hit and dumped us all deep down the digital rabbit hole. Now I notice even more social proof to keep going deeper into the digital life. Pub…

Seen from here, in the last half year I've seen far more articles on "OK, we're all addicted now, how do we get out of this mess" than ever before.

Re: YouTube addiction, one month sober

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Good to see someone talking about it.. I used to spend my free time watching Youtube, these days it's only during dinner before I put on a TV show (and just before bed where very long LPs put me to sleep in minutes). What helped I only notice in retrospective: I got diagnosed and medicated for ADHD. Now I actually have the focus and drive to do the things I should be doing, rather than lazying my day off on YouTube w…

> YMMV. Very glad you found something that helped, but this is a good place to warn people that everyone is different. In some people, stimulant treatment can actually kindle problematic behaviors like the one you escaped. For some, they enhance focus but that results in more focusing on the hobbies, distractions, and side projects. I bring this up because while ADHD medication is great for some, there's a growing pr…

Thank you for bringing this up. I have PTSD, and that compounds with OCD and ADHD, and for years I was just sort of a slave to compulsions and trauma responses and a whole host of other things. More often than not had bad reactions to SSRIs, and generally avoided any medications for a long long time.

When I finally did start taking stimulants for the ADHD, it was magical. I was really really worried that it would cause me to get locked into obsessive compulsive cycles I was already in, and talked to my doctor quite a bit about what would work for me.

I started taking methylphenidate in 2022 and it was life changing. It was the first time that I felt I had some amount of control over my focus, whereas before I would just get stuck on whatever anxiety inducing thought I've had.

Now, I've never been more regulated, and it's never been easier to pull my attention to something else. That isn't to say that it's solved all my problems, it hasn't. I still have bad days and triggers and can still spiral out in different ways, but I'm managed to hold down a job for an entire year now.

Currently, I'm still struggling with trying to figure out what I need (in an emotional sense) at any given time. Should I have a cry? Reach out to a friend? Do yoga? Eat some food? Etc, and I'm working with my therapist to try to figure out that intuition a little.

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