I didn't learn anything from that screencast. It's not clear what action causes which reaction.
Kagi Sidekick (alpha)
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#112I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…
chatgpt is on the extreme side: you only get immediate answers without the webpage
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#113Early Kagi adopter here. I love Kagi search and their summarisation features, but I'd rather they just focus on high quality and configurable search and summarisation results rather than new products.
I suspect their core business is unsustainable as is. From what I understand, they use search APIs, which are expensive. So they need to get their own index, at least partial, to have a sustainable business.
Duck Duck Go uses the Bing API and they've been around for a long while. I'd imagine there's a heavy 80/20 rule of data that needs to be indexed frequently that people also search for, so those same cached results from API calls get the most use.
Just speculation though.
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That is a great question. Well we first have to ask what would be the purpose of someone going through the trouble to create such (LLM generated) spammy SEO content? The answer (for the majority of web at least now) is to monetize it with ads/affiliate links. If that is the case then the answer is easy as we already penalize sites with ads/trackers on them for our general web search, and completely boot them out of o…
Problem is that many webites used to hire writers which wrote tangentially related posts to get their main product higher ranked. Like LogRocket and Partition Minitool do. Combine that with that guy who boasted about his 'SEO heist', I think it's a very valid concern.
Isn't this exactly what 37signals and even joelonsoftware were? Isn't HN essentially a free conduit to YCombinator awareness?
I don't see the problem with what you're describing. It seems like one of the most contributory ways to market well.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect their core business is unsustainable as is. From what I understand, they use search APIs, which are expensive. So they need to get their own index, at least partial, to have a sustainable business.
Duck Duck Go uses the Bing API and they've been around for a long while. I'd imagine there's a heavy 80/20 rule of data that needs to be indexed frequently that people also search for, so those same cached results from API calls get the most use. Just speculation though.
I don't think it's a fair comparison. Every single other search engine sells ads including ddg. Sure, they don't track you, but will still serve ads for your quesries.
Kagi is explicitly an ad free subscription. Comparing profitability is not straightforward.
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Yet. If you want to be better than Google, you need to avoid Google's mistakes.
Tiny Kagi has already shown an ability to produce better results than massive Google, despite them both dealing with the same SEO site gaming/structuring. Which is the reverse of what would be expected if Google's greater resources were also focused on quality. Kagi already dodges the SEO bullet. Disclaimer: I pay for Kagi. You should too!
If the userbase grows enough (let's say 100x that of today), they could become an SEO target. As happy as I am with the current results I am aware that SEO gaming is only a problem once scale is relevant. Once there are teams of people reverse engineering kagi's ranking explicitly wanting to beat it.
There's a good chance not enough people are willing to pay for search and this never becomes a problem.
Disclaimer: happy paying customer.
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Is there any reliable AI generated content detector today ? I've tried many free and paying ones online, but they're aren't reliable
It's impossible to make. You cannot prove any sentence was created by an LLM and you can't prove it wasn't.
Unless you design the LLM yourself and purposefully watermark the output. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.04634.pdf
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This is a naive take. SEO schemes are attractive for companies that sell products themselves (e.g. try searching anything related to ETL tools). The content itself is the ad and you won’t find any ad serving scripts or affiliate links in there. (Source: have created such schemes, although would generally not recommend them to my customers nowadays)
Underestimate the average Kagi user at your own peril. I do not think many would fall prey to an LLM generated content marketing page and end up buying a product from such site. Much likelier scenario is the page gets instantly blocked/reported.
not really underestimating Kagi users, just the inexorable push to colonize every last useful network.
This could also be an attack vector for adversaries looking to pollute Kagi's search results and/or force you to divert resources to policing it.
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Kagi is Japanese for key, right? We search with a search key. If I'm getting it right. Do you know that "sidekick" is aibó in Japanese (相棒)? Notice the "AI" in it?
Didn't know that and thanks for giving us the idea. Aibó sounds much better than Sidekick, we may need to rename :)
Please don't write it Aibó, though. The proper romanization is Aibō or Aibou. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepburn_romanization#Long_vo...
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#120Free for small/personal websites is great.