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Universal Basic Income Has Been Tried over and over Again. It Works Every Time

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#111
UBI may sound like a worthwhile endeavor to a great many people, but I can't help but think of what we give up with such a system.

If I politicaly dissent from the majority (whomsoever that is or whatever they believe) what stops them—the government as often described—from stopping UBI from those that are deemed "unfit."

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#112

I'd like to make food stamps automatic for everyone. It makes pretty good sense to me. Everyone who has a driver's license or is enrolled in school or is registered to vote gets food stamps. The most hateful southern baptists in my family who are still screaming about Obama's death panels can still agree that donating to food banks is a good idea. I can understand people who say "I don't want to pay higher taxes to s…

This is something I've been on board with for ages. Just give everyone a SNAP card, homeless person to Bill gates.

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#114

Yes, of course giving people money makes their lives better. It especially works when a very small subset of the population receives such treatment, such that their relative income is higher than those outside the experiment. The issue with UBI is that enacting it at scale has two huge problems: 1. Financing it. These programs are monumentally expensive. You need to get the money from somewhere. The easiest place to…

> The USA did this during the COVID era. Japan has being doing this for decades now and, AFAIK, there hasn't been any terrible consequences. What are they doing differently? imf.org says Japan's dept to GDP ratio is 214% and the US' is 110%.

Japan’s story is different - Japan has been battling deflation for decades at least partially as a result of a rapidly aging population with zero desire to import workers. Which is not a judgment of Japan, which instead chose to provide a much higher per capita stimulus to its people with a focus on the quality of life of the average citizen.

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#115

Yes, of course giving people money makes their lives better. It especially works when a very small subset of the population receives such treatment, such that their relative income is higher than those outside the experiment. The issue with UBI is that enacting it at scale has two huge problems: 1. Financing it. These programs are monumentally expensive. You need to get the money from somewhere. The easiest place to…

> The USA did this during the COVID era. Japan has being doing this for decades now and, AFAIK, there hasn't been any terrible consequences. What are they doing differently? imf.org says Japan's dept to GDP ratio is 214% and the US' is 110%.

Japan's GDP today is roughly the same as it was in 1995:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263578/gross-domestic-pr...

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#116

Yes, of course giving people money makes their lives better. It especially works when a very small subset of the population receives such treatment, such that their relative income is higher than those outside the experiment. The issue with UBI is that enacting it at scale has two huge problems: 1. Financing it. These programs are monumentally expensive. You need to get the money from somewhere. The easiest place to…

This strikes me (a total ignoramus) as the generally balanced and correct take.

One question I have is, how much of that inflationary period has been due to supply issues that would have occurred regardless of stimulus checks?

I share your skepticism about the "lol just tax the rich" approach. I'm not sure how true it is that taxes "hobble our most productive citizens" (what are you alluding to about china?), I generally just think rich people inevitably outmaneuver the government trying to tax them, and that rich people really shouldn't be "earning" that much to begin with (because I think their earnings in most cases has fuck-all to do with their actual "productivity"). I imagine there are plenty of smart people who have thought up other ways of socializing the fruits of economic growth in, idk, better ways.

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#119

Yes, of course giving people money makes their lives better. It especially works when a very small subset of the population receives such treatment, such that their relative income is higher than those outside the experiment. The issue with UBI is that enacting it at scale has two huge problems: 1. Financing it. These programs are monumentally expensive. You need to get the money from somewhere. The easiest place to…

> The USA did this during the COVID era. Japan has being doing this for decades now and, AFAIK, there hasn't been any terrible consequences. What are they doing differently? imf.org says Japan's dept to GDP ratio is 214% and the US' is 110%.

japan is mostly in depth to its own residents, while the us is owned by china.

update: first thing remains true. but china owns less parts of the us depth by now, its more distributed among other countries.

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#120
David Graeber argued that there are bullshit jobs, that keep people busy with tasks that are useless for their development or the society.

He didn’t take into account that there are destructive jobs, whose workers significantly contribute to the destruction of the conditions which render the planet habitable.

The planet would be better off if those folks received a UBI for staying at home

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