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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by JojoFatsani »

kube-system wrote: post #53
ajross wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait. Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.

Put electrical tape over the camera.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by JojoFatsani »

willio58 wrote: post #5

I just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on t…

This is really not that large a car.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by tcbawo »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #44
tcbawo wrote: post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

> I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. How many miles do they have on it? Mileage that short after only 6 years should be covered by warranty. That's not degradation, that's a battery failure.

I’ll ask for more details and report back.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

russell_h wrote: post #52
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #17

I'm not really anticipating being a car buyer for another half decade, but the #1 thing I want to judge the industry by & see progressing is MPGe (or kWh per 100km elsewhere). How efficient is your vehicle? Leaving everyone to go figure out efficiency obfuscates what should be a defining characteristics of these offerings!

Is there really much room for improvement on efficiency without moving to very different form-factors? I would have figured that rolling resistance and air resistance account for the huge majority of the energy usage without much room for improvement over eg a Model 3, unless you make it look like an F1 car or give it solid tires or something.

Right now some of the Model 3s are leaders of the pack, at 130+ MPGe. I expect some gains are possible, but yeah, not a ton in the current incarnation of cars.

But it's something I feel like should be at forefront of mind. Competitors should be trying to get to top of pack, but very few are >120 MPGe.

Also it should be more obvious that big E-SUVs, even if they have big range, are actually joule hogs. Seeing a 70 MPGe should be a turn off.

And if we do change architectures? The Aptera has been talking about a 337 MPGe system for a while. It's an incredibly impressive idea, but only if people have the context to understand relative efficiency versus other EVs. We need to be building the base knowledge to evaluate, to appreciate wins, and to keep car makers from regressing.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by samsolomon »

kube-system wrote: post #31

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

A Prius Prime? Or for a little more a RAV4 Prime?

Edit: Never mind I see that’s something you’re already considering!

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by m463 »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #100
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #7

There's no way in hell they're making money at that price. They're probably not even breaking even. Even the higher trims are going to have extremely thin margins, if they're making money at all. Seeing as it's an $8K jump in price from the base model to the second level trim, I imagine dealers are going to make it very difficult to buy a base model.

They way they handle that (almost everyone does it this way now) is don't make very many of the low end model, maybe none at the start, then get the cost down and later make them. Suppress demand. GM didn't make enough bolts. Tesla can almost make money selling a model 3 at $39k before any tax discounts, the RWD version with 272 miles. With the theoretical battery price of $100/kwh, each kwh is almost 4 miles of rang…

I think tesla made their stock model 3 wheels sort of rental-car ugly so people would drop a couple k on wheels. or pull off the wheel covers.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by peteradio »

kube-system wrote: post #31

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

The devil appears and offers a car with a 3 hr range but it only goes 20 mph. Should been more careful.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #17

I'm not really anticipating being a car buyer for another half decade, but the #1 thing I want to judge the industry by & see progressing is MPGe (or kWh per 100km elsewhere). How efficient is your vehicle? Leaving everyone to go figure out efficiency obfuscates what should be a defining characteristics of these offerings!

"MPGe" is an odd measure and probably doesn't actually measure what people think it does. Miles (or km) per kWh (or 100 kWh, but really that's just multiplying by 100) is going to be a better measure.

When I think of "MPGe", my incorrect intuition is that it's factoring in the cost of gas and the cost of electricity to create a cost per mile that results in an "MPGe" relative to gas prices. ie, a 60 MPGe car would cost half as much per mile as a 30 MPGe car.

But as mentioned, this is incorrect. "MPGe" is based purely on some idea of how much energy a gallon of gas has in kWh, and miles/kWh is used to calculate that.

The result is that a 60 MPGe car could cost just as much, if not more, to drive than a 30 MPG ICE if gas prices are low while electricity costs are high.

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Post by nonethewiser »

ceejayoz wrote: post #61
nonethewiser wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fossil fuel subsidies are you referring to?

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/global-fossil-f... > U.S. fossil fuel subsidies stretch across the U.S. tax code, which makes detailing their costs complex. The IMF estimates they stood at $760 billion in 2022, a figure topped only by China.

I wouldn't consider the government not taking their money a subsidy. A subsidy would be the government giving them money. There are drilling specific tax breaks but it's similar to other industry specific R&D tax breaks like agriculture and tech.
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