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Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by mhitza »

jayveeone wrote: post #30
gia_ferrari wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, what's the news on Proton?

Four people mentioned proton in this thread without any indication of what happened lol

I can give you one bad experience example from a couple years back. Signed up to Protonmail to test out how well it works when you try to use it anonymously, paid for a year via crypto, then at some point stopped using it.

When I came back to it later, and my subscription had expired, instead of downgrading my account to the free version, they wouldn't allow me to access any of my emails until I renewed my account for another year.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by TotempaaltJ »

dcow wrote: post #56

Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace (not even Proton’s suite—I use it personally) and I’d use Notion-plus-Skiff-and-Cron over Google Workspace any day. Huge miss…

My guess is that this is still acquiring the email tech, but Notion has no interest in end-to-end encryption. They don't care for the customer base, since those are all with Skiff (partially) for the E2EE stuff.

I'd bet they'll either unravel the E2EE from Skiff's software to relaunch it under their brad, or use their newly acquired expertise to build a Notion Email service from the ground up.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by j-bos »

mhitza wrote: post #111
jayveeone wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four people mentioned proton in this thread without any indication of what happened lol

I can give you one bad experience example from a couple years back. Signed up to Protonmail to test out how well it works when you try to use it anonymously, paid for a year via crypto, then at some point stopped using it. When I came back to it later, and my subscription had expired, instead of downgrading my account to the free version, they wouldn't allow me to access any of my emails until I renewed my account fo…

I have proton and remember reading that as well. Paid accounts have additional features (aliases, extra addresses) that will be disabled. The reasoning is to prevent them from being reused by maliciously. Iirc, the conditions were clearly spelled out, same as the fact that mail is encrypted and can only be recovered by the user.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by ianopolous »

If you're interested in an open source, (including the server) self hostable, E2EE and federated/p2p storage, sharing and app protocol (including calendar, docs etc) who doesn't have VC investors, check out Peergos:

https://peergos.org

Tech book - https://book.peergos.org

Source - https://github.com/peergos/peergos

Sign up to our server - https://peergos.net/?signup=true

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by turminal »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #110
dcow wrote: post #56

Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace (not even Proton’s suite—I use it personally) and I’d use Notion-plus-Skiff-and-Cron over Google Workspace any day. Huge miss…

For the same reason that Skiff is being acquihired: it has simply proven to not be a viable business. The reason Notion acquires and kills this product is not because it is in any way an interesting product or company to them but because it has investors that need bailing out that are also Notion investors. Notion gets some nice people in their team and some of them might even stay. This is a very common practice in…

Except for the users.

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by joshuaissac »

ianopolous wrote: post #114

If you're interested in an open source, (including the server) self hostable, E2EE and federated/p2p storage, sharing and app protocol (including calendar, docs etc) who doesn't have VC investors, check out Peergos: https://peergos.org Tech book - https://book.peergos.org Source - https://github.com/peergos/peergos Sign up to our server - https://peergos.net/?signup=true

Interesting. Peergos seems to be a lot like a self-hosted Dropbox. How does it compare to ownCloud and Nextcloud?

Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset

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Post by ploum »

turminal wrote: post #118
jillesvangurp wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason that Skiff is being acquihired: it has simply proven to not be a viable business. The reason Notion acquires and kills this product is not because it is in any way an interesting product or company to them but because it has investors that need bailing out that are also Notion investors. Notion gets some nice people in their team and some of them might even stay. This is a very common practice in…

Except for the users.

That’s the essence of consumerism, isn’t it? "how to milk out users as much as we can" (with variation around "milk gently lot of users" or "milk hard a few addicted junkies", with everyone dreaming of being Apple "milk really hard a lot of addicted junkies")
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