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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by kevingadd »

advael wrote: post #102

So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

The main problem with direct democracy as performed in the US is that it's trivial to manipulate with sufficiently large ad campaigns, because the average voter is not super well informed on most topics and is usually not motivated to dig deeply when i.e. a ride-sharing company spends a cool hundred million to get the legal outcome they want.

This is not to say that the alternative is immune to these problems, but as a former long time california resident direct democracy was directly responsible for many of the state's problems, i.e. prop 13.

In many cases any special interest or sufficiently motivated rich person can also just keep putting their pet issue on the ballot over and over until it passes.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by b59831 »

virtue3 wrote: post #57
neilv wrote: post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by WaxProlix »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #107
WaxProlix wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what the content of the law was, I suppose, but you're not really addressing my point. Why did they say they wanted to ban these weapons? And why did standard capacity mags get banned around the same time? Hint: your mini 14, my g3, and my buddy's SKS all fell under this rule, despite having some distinct aesthetics (and all being pretty distinct from the dreaded AR15).

One thing that all the guns you listed have in common is that they are all battle rifles or derived from battle rifles (very tenuously the M14 in the case of the mini 14). In other words they were designed to be given to young men in the military to shoot at other people. I don't particularly like the new gun rules, but I think that gun advocates do themselves a disfavour when they pretend that an SKS or G3 wasn't de…

Yes, I agree. It's more about capabilities than aesthetics, despite what some gun folks would want to believe. Hence the magazine comment as well.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by neom »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #110
blindriver wrote: post #98

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director. Then she started her political career.

Chrystia Freeland PM, Mark Carney Deputy PM is a dream team for me. My sister dated Justin for a couple of years at McGill, imo he's a genuinely good guy, but I can't say I'd consider him a good leader.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by wmf »

mistrial9 wrote: post #82
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on the fence here. In terms of difficulty, isn't it basically like surfing on someone's unprotected wifi and being surprised that someone can see what you are doing? I am not excusing the behavior, but I also don't see arrest as an appropriate remedy.

There are good reasons to ban a device like that on an active passenger flight. A modern airplane relies on a lot of radio frequency communication I think.. a reason for strict ban is - there is no feedback to the person in the passenger area when they stomp on some sensitive channel, or they may notice but find it exhilarating perhaps..

Bluetooth spam is just Bluetooth; it isn't some kind of RF-level jamming. It's no more dangerous to a plane than your headphones are.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by cpymchn »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #110
blindriver wrote: post #98

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director. Then she started her political career.

But left TR after her massively expensive digital initiative went pear shaped, (so maybe not the best example in this context).

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by loopdoend »

defrost wrote: post #101
blindriver wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except gun ownership is codified into the US Constitution. That’s why is impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

That's hardly the issue, gun ownership is part of Australia also - the difference being that there it is regulated. The debate in the US is largely about what constitutes well-regulated and is a mess as States are not aligned.

There is no legal right to gun ownership in Australia.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by vlovich123 »

virtue3 wrote: post #57
neilv wrote: post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

I get that this lowers the barrier to entry, but presumably you could do something similar with a software package to make your laptop do the same thing? AFAIK it uses off the shelf radios and firmware so I don’t really understand the framing here that this device is ok but others aren’t. Especially as others point out it’s unlikely this has anything to do with making car theft easier nor to interfere in any way with the safe operation of the plane.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by [deleted] »

blindriver wrote: post #98

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

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