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EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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The EU is simply too scared to actually put it's foot down. If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have at least one of their fabs here in the EU. But they won't. In stead they will just handover €30 billion of public money to multinational corporations with market caps larger than the yearly GDP of some EU countries. Edit: For clarity, I'm not suggesting bannin…

>If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have a fab here in the EU.

LOL

This would devastate the world economy. Gl getting chips for phones, computers, satellites...

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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> having more smart people eventually benefits Dutch society Given that most of them don't stay for even five years[0], how does their temporary presence benefit society? [0] "80% of expat employees use the facility for 5 years or less" https://www.government.nl/topics/income-tax/shortening-30-pe...

Having a foreigner stay in the long term could be worse, economically. Five years of taxation on highly-paid individuals - who are presumably producing far more than their salary to the companies paying them - is essentially free money for the country. You did not spend tax money on their education so far and are reaping all the benefits. Now, if they stay permanently, you will have to pay their pensions and healthca…

> You did not spend tax money on their education so far and are reaping all the benefits

That is one possibility.

Another is that the foreigner may have got the job instead of it going to a local. It's also possible that as a result of that the local may be unemployed and hence costing the country money.

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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I live in a Scandinavian country. Our welfare system is structured such that people are expected to withdraw from the tax pool during the beginning and end of life, and contribute to the pool in between. Adult immigrants will benefit less from the system than locals over their lifetime, but may end up contributing as much. Adult immigrants with advanced degrees who come to work here for a few years and then move out…

>> locally quite high $80k annual income (STEM PhD, 40yo) I love Europe, both for the lifestyle and the safety net. But the salaries are kind of shocking for an American.

I work at said company with just a bachelors degree and make (way) more than that. I think its mostly PHD's that are paid shit comparatively to the US, lol. I've heard it's because there's little to no competition. If you have PHD's in certain fields, you can either work at ASML here or do something else unrelated to your PHD.

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

#114

The EU is simply too scared to actually put it's foot down. If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have at least one of their fabs here in the EU. But they won't. In stead they will just handover €30 billion of public money to multinational corporations with market caps larger than the yearly GDP of some EU countries. Edit: For clarity, I'm not suggesting bannin…

Do you have any insight into the projects, and how they operate?

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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Those salaries seem quite low compared to the Randstad. If these are true, then the answer is "Yes"...

Can you name me 3 tech companies in the Randstad that aren't consultancy that pay more than that? I don't think these numbers are exceptionally high but they're not low either. Source: Former SWE, current PM in the Randstad.

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Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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post #111

The EU is simply too scared to actually put it's foot down. If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have at least one of their fabs here in the EU. But they won't. In stead they will just handover €30 billion of public money to multinational corporations with market caps larger than the yearly GDP of some EU countries. Edit: For clarity, I'm not suggesting bannin…

>If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have a fab here in the EU. LOL This would devastate the world economy. Gl getting chips for phones, computers, satellites...

They wouldn't have to put all their fabs here. But if they want the latest ASML machines they need to have at least one big fab inside the EU, or else they only get one generation back.

There's only a handful of companies in the world producing chips at scale, so it wouldn't be too out of the question.

You could even invite the Chinese to put their fabs in the EU so that they get a chip sector they control but also make them a bit more dependent on the EU, in stead of the EU on China.

But hey, we can also just handover €30 billion of taxpayer money to TSMC and Intel, I guess.

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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>If they really want to, they can just limit the export of ASML machines only to companies that have a fab here in the EU. LOL This would devastate the world economy. Gl getting chips for phones, computers, satellites...

They wouldn't have to put all their fabs here. But if they want the latest ASML machines they need to have at least one big fab inside the EU, or else they only get one generation back. There's only a handful of companies in the world producing chips at scale, so it wouldn't be too out of the question. You could even invite the Chinese to put their fabs in the EU so that they get a chip sector they control but also m…

>There's only a handful of companies in the world producing chips at scale, so it wouldn't be too out of the question.

Don't think you have any idea how complex it is to both set up the fabs and run them. Are you gonna fly half of Taiwan to run these fabs here? How long do you think this process is going to take?

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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It's you posting it here, not your friends from the RAF. As for flight readiness: that has nothing to do with how many children von der Leyen has.

> As for flight readiness: that has nothing to do with how many children von der Leyen has Indeed not. Perhaps that's the reason the joke is funny? We could sanitise the joke to become "Germany's defence minister had more fingers than working fighter aircraft" I suppose. Would that be better? The real issue is VdL's history of failure, not the jokes about it.

No, the problem with the joke is that it doesn't just make fun of her, it also uses the fact that she is a woman and mother to make that joke. This plays into sexism and misogyny by implying that both of these things made her unfit for office by default. Note how the "sanitized" version using fingers instead of children doesn't really have any oomph to it - the sexism is not just window dressing, it's what makes the joke work.

Jokes are not "just jokes". Jokes play off culture and reinforce or challenge it. People having a low number of fingers doesn't do either of those things so at that point it stops being a joke and becomes a dry empirical claim ("they have at most ten working aircraft"). Stand up comedy is an art form and takes considerable effort, creativity and repetition. Dismissing jokes as "just jokes" as if they are shallow brain farts is like saying poetry is "just words". Jokes are worth analysing and being dissected just like any other artform and even if they're genuinely created by "amateurs" they're informed by the culture that surrounds them.

VdL is a terrible politician, I strongly oppose her value system and I think she does indeed have a history of failure. But that's not how the jokes are framed, that's merely the setup to the jokes. The jokes wouldn't work with a male politician because the punchline is that she's a woman and mother.

You can agree with the punchline but denying that it's sexist or misogynist (in the sense of "women and mothers are unfit as politicians") is silly even if you don't like those labels being applied to your sense of humor. Jokes are inherently political because culture is political. It's why reactionaries will say progressives aren't funny and why progressives will roll their eyes at jokes about trans people and say "that's just the one joke".

Clever comedians will actually use this and drop off-color jokes on audiences in the middle of a show to reveal their own hidden biases when they "accidentally" laugh about a joke they'd normally claim to be appalled by. But there's a fine line between doing that to lampshade dishonesty and just telling those jokes. And even then it requires a cooperative audience. As an example you can look at Chris Rock who felt he had to retire his routines that used the n-word because it emboldened racists rather than making fun of them.

Re: EU chip goal 'unrealistic' says ASML CEO

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>> locally quite high $80k annual income (STEM PhD, 40yo) I love Europe, both for the lifestyle and the safety net. But the salaries are kind of shocking for an American.

Healthcare, education and retirement/social security included.

Plus, OP makes 6000 euros a month which really is not nothing.
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