Hmm. So a rouge Meta employee could put a barometric pressure monitor in Messenger or WhatsApp (that people use even without paid in-flight wifi) to detect depressurization and automatically short the airline and aircraft manufacturer.
This would probably be violating the employee’s fiduciary duty to Meta.
Is it insider trading if I bought Boeing puts while inside the wrecked airplane?
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Re: Is it insider trading if I bought Boeing puts while inside the wrecked airplane?
#112Matt Levine covered this well too: https://archive.is/Kd6Os The answer being no, because as a consumer you have no duty of confidentiality.
Re: Is it insider trading if I bought Boeing puts while inside the wrecked airplane?
#113No, it is not. If you do not have a fiduciary relationship with Boeing and you have no confidentiality obligations with respect to the information, you are not trading on inside information. If you're in the plane when the door blows up, you're just the first person with material public information. You're not trading on material non-public information. See, e.g. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misappropriation_theor…
This is where insider trading rules just don’t make sense. Here’s a good example. You can buy credit card data from Bloomberg that will give you near accurate information on revenue. For earnings, you can pay to see if a company will meet expectations and trade off that information. If you work for the company, it’s insider trading. If you work for the credit card companies and get the same info and trade on it, it is also insider trading.
Maybe we should make insider trading, trading off information that isn’t public.
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#115Ctrl-F Casino Royale During the film, the terrorist financier Le Chiffre uses a Ugandan warlord's money to short-sell stock in Skyfleet, thus betting the money on the company's failure. The banker plans to bring about said failure by destroying the company's prototype airliner. After his original bomb-maker is killed by James Bond in Madagascar, another is hired to complete the job. The bomb-maker infiltrates Miami I…
Re: Is it insider trading if I bought Boeing puts while inside the wrecked airplane?
#116UK rules differ from the US there is a 3-point test for insider trading: 1. The information has to be specific - Yes - you should sell Boeing 2. Would a reasonable investor take this information into account when making a decision to trade - Yes - this seems quite clear 3. The information must be non public - IIRC disclosure to a large group of people - in this case the perhaps 200ish people on the plane knowing it h…
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#118Re: Is it insider trading if I bought Boeing puts while inside the wrecked airplane?
#119No, it is not. If you do not have a fiduciary relationship with Boeing and you have no confidentiality obligations with respect to the information, you are not trading on inside information. If you're in the plane when the door blows up, you're just the first person with material public information. You're not trading on material non-public information. See, e.g. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misappropriation_theor…
Better question can the flight attendant buy puts? What about the air traffic controller who handled the emergency? It’s the exact same information. This is where insider trading rules just don’t make sense. Here’s a good example. You can buy credit card data from Bloomberg that will give you near accurate information on revenue. For earnings, you can pay to see if a company will meet expectations and trade off that…
This is stupid. It disincentivizes people who make a living externally auditing/investigating companies