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Re: Relearning math as an adult

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I’m a thirty-something with an arts degree who decided to learn math. Basically I was tired of reading popular science and being fed metaphors to understand concepts. I wanted to “see” it for myself. I spent time online at Khan Academy and friends for a year or so on and off. It was fine but meandering? So I enrolled in community college! It’s great. I have a clearer path, immediate feedback, teachers, and an obligat…

I actually find the immediate feedback from khan academy exercises better than school actually. The feedback loop is much more tighter instead of waiting an entire week later for results and not really getting another go at it. I also tend to zone out or miss something in the lecture, and that missed thing is what builds the entire foundation for everything else and then the entire lecture is pointless. With video ba…

Replacing lectures with video lectures is fine, even an improvement. But not such much for exercises/problem-solving/practical classes.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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>> The ‘Foundation Series‘ is what I’m starting with. It’s for adults to help streamline learning (it skips the stuff that kids need, but adults don’t) and work back up through college-level math relatively quickly (emphasis on relatively ). I'm curious to know what 'stuff' he's referring to. And what about it makes it such that kids need it but adults don't. And if that's true, are we SURE kids need it? I had horrib…

Hi there, my name is Justin Skycak, I'm the Director of Analytics & Algorithms at Math Academy. I can speak a bit as to the stuff that's skipped in the Foundation Series. After developing a curriculum that covers all the standards for 4th grade through AP Calculus BC, as well as plenty of advanced university courses (many of which are still under construction, but the structure is mapped out pretty comprehensively),…

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Re: Relearning math as an adult

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Hi there, my name is Justin Skycak, I'm the Director of Analytics & Algorithms at Math Academy. I can speak a bit as to the stuff that's skipped in the Foundation Series. After developing a curriculum that covers all the standards for 4th grade through AP Calculus BC, as well as plenty of advanced university courses (many of which are still under construction, but the structure is mapped out pretty comprehensively),…

Thanks for responding. What are some examples of topics that you cut out from the high school math curricula? I have seen modern Algebra II courses remove conic sections in order to make more room for probability and statistics.

Hi, I'm Alex, curriculum director at Math Academy.

As Justin mentioned, there are several criteria that we must meet in our high-school pathway that aren't needed for studying higher-level (e.g., undergraduate) math, or they can be postponed. We decided to remove some of these in the Foundations series.

The idea behind the foundations series is to provide adult learners with the most efficient path possible to get onto the higher-level material.

Examples of topics that were removed from the high-school series to create the foundations series include some of the following:

* Various Geometry topics: All of the _essential_ geometry is covered. However, we removed topics on inscribed angles, Thales' Theorem, Triangle congruence, and similarity criteria (apart from the AA, which is the only one that seems to come up in practice), midpoint and triangle proportionality theorems, a fair amount of solid geometry, except what's fairly standard for calculus (volumes and surface areas of spheres, volumes of cones), lots of stuff on different types of quadrilaterals.

* Conic sections: The essentials are covered in both pathways. But in the high-school path, we go into a little more detail about foci, directrices, eccentricity, and utilizing their geometric definitions (e.g., focus-directrix properties).

* Trig identities and Equations: Covered in both pathways, but the high-school versions go into more detail and consider more cases.

* Some word problem/modeling topics.

* Other arbitrary Prealgebra topics: Divisibility rules, going into more detail about ratios in contextual settings, scientific notation, and some basic data representation topics that one would normally meet in Prealgebra.

* Slope fields. This will be covered in our upcoming differential equations course.

* Some analytical applications of differentiation that are quite specific to the BC Calculus exam: Identifying and removing point, jump, and infinite discontinuities and analyzing graphs of first and second derivatives.

* There are also fewer topics on related rates and optimization, though these topics are still covered.

* Some contextual applications of integration, like volumes of revolution and volumes of known cross-sections.

* Convergence tests for infinite series. When we get to that, these will be covered in real analysis, but other than infinite geometric series (which _is_ covered in Foundations), these tests don't show up too often anywhere else.

* Some ODE models, such as exponential and logistic growth and decay. We cover ODE basics in the foundations course, but particular models will be covered in the differential equations course.

* Taylor series. Again, this can be covered in the differential equations course for anyone wishing to take that course when it's ready.

Happy to answer any further questions you may have.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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I work in IT as a network architect and when I tell people I graduated high school with one F on my final list being math they frown a bit. In my high- schooldays (90'ies era) they made a distinction between "math-A" which was more statistics and "math-B" which was more algebra and calculus. I really sucked at math-A which was considered by some as not even real math. I will definitely check this one out and hope to improve this even now in my 40'ies..

Re: Relearning math as an adult

#115
Learning grade school math won’t really help you understand these things. Yes, you will learn to think numerically and practice applying opaque algorithms, but you’d be better off starting with basic set theory and logic and learning “real” math. Book of Proof is one of my personal favorites. Then you can move onto some Real Analysis while brushing up on Calculus, then maybe consider formal probability starting to learn the foundations

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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I may be biased as I am a trained Mathematician, but I always feel when someone says "Math is Hard", that is because they had bad teachers. Math is easy if you build up from fundamentals, not like physics education where you say "but lets delete everything before because it had an oversimplifying assumption", rather if you build your knowledge entirely sequentially from things you know or assume, you build up a toolb…

> ... it is because they had bad teachers.

> Math is easy if...

The one constant I observed in most parts of my mathamatics journey (math major in college, software engineering & computer science at university) was the lack of understanding by the person doing the math teaching that not everyone will be able to follow along if steps in the ladder are missing.

Words and sentences like 'it is obvious', 'clearly', 'as can be seen' should be avoided when teaching someone a subject as abstract as mathematics as inevitably you are not fully realising the size of the gap in knowledge between you and your students and how such statements can leave them feeling frustrated.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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The "math" used in ML/AI papers is usually just a sort of 'whiteboard math' which is a domain-specific mishmash of linear algebra, calculus, set theory and statistics.

If you could find a book just going through the relevant bits you wouldnt really have to "learn math again", it can be translated into english straightforwardly -- very very few ML papers relevant to industry have extended proofs, etc. that require eg., even being able to differentiate anything yourself.

90% of it is: here's the domain (ie., type) of our variables, here's the formula of our functions, we're taking a weighted average with some inner products involved.

It might sound like a lot of math, but it's really all doable in semester-1 of an undergrad course, were it focused enough.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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I tried math academy for this exact purpose, but I had to give up because it didn't let me test out of lessons that I was already good at (Similar to how duolingo would allow you to do). So I ended up wasting a lot of time sitting through all the exercises which I didn't need.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

#119
About a year ago my wife and I made the joint decision to get her into college for a bachelor's degree in either English or computer science. Here in Finland, university admissions are based around how well you did on various end of school exams, and she fortunately did quite well on all of them a decade ago - except for math. She bombed math due to health and family problems as a teenager decimating her ability to pay sustained focused attention.

Luckily, soon after the decision was made, I finally got my first full time job in Finland. I could easily support the two of us and give her an uninterrupted life to focus on grinding up for the math exam. We took the last ~10 years' worth of math exams online, turned their problems into Anki cards, and set her nose to the grindstone. I had had tremendous success with this in college with abstract algebra and real analysis, so I figured the same methodical approach + a very stable living situation was bound to work for algebra through basic calculus.

Five months later, she retakes the high school exam and gets the highest score possible! Her rapid success at this convinced her to give CS a serious try, and indeed her improved math exam was the differentiator - without it she would not have been accepted to the CS program. She got top marks in her first semester at CS as well, I couldn't be more proud. My wife is truly an incredible person.

Re: Relearning math as an adult

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I totally agree with you on the value in using Chat GTP when stuck. What's the scope of The Art of Problem Solving? How far does the series go?

AOPS audience is gifted high school kids, so it doesn't get up to the college level. The core texts are: - Prealgebra - Intro to Algebra - Intro to Counting & Probability - Intro to Geometry - Intro to Number Theory - Intermediate Algebra - Intermediate Counting & Probability - Precalculus - Calculus

I bought the whole set for my kid. He's also doing Brilliant.

It starts at somewhere that the kids are at the end of primary school (at least in the UK) and ends somewhere in high school. My kid could already do all the pre-algebra stuff, so that book went fast. The way I see it, the kids waste a lot of time in the middle years when they already know the arithmetic and pre-algebra, but might as well be doing a bunch of more interesting things.

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