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Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Signs that I've seen before leaving: * There are more VPs than there are restrooms. * The free coffee and soda is no more. * Engineers are co-opted as salespeople ("... and why is the project late?").

If they can't justify a few dollars for snacks, what do you think they're gonna do about your six digit salary...

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…

I agree, something about working hybrid just feels like “why are we doing this?” It’s like an awkward inbetween I also don’t get why companies seem unphased about paying for a giant office that is empty the majority of the week

Not to peek behind the curtain, but it's pretty difficult to hold down 2 jobs when you need to physically be in the office 2 days a week. Which, if my anecdotal evidence in my circle is to be believed, that was definitely happening during the pandemic.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#113

That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…

>Like, little software shops

My first dev job was at one of these. They didn't even use version control.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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"Politics and micromanagement have taken over, and HR processes take up far too much of everyone’s time."

How is the HR the cause here? From the mismanagement that the author describes in the preceding paragraphs, it sounds like HR involvement was too little, not too much, because the problems are symptomatic of poorly trained managers. Too many engineers are unable to see the contradiction when they complain about people problems, and then in the next breath question the need for any people or processes to help with those problems.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Jumping ship will always bring more money.

Thats not true often. I have known so many people ended up in worse place after jumping.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#116

That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…

Any tips on finding these positions? I'd love to work at a shop like this but don't know anyone who works at one and they most likely do majority of their hiring through their employees' networks.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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I don't understand this fascination with central offices. We live in the year 2024. We should be able to look at our workforce, find small offices, and have hub and spoke networks of offices - and work from home as a fallback. Rent a condo, do a communal office, if you want more close collaboration - shuffle your teams to colocate them - not force them into 1hr commutes into a fucking empty office. Our infrastructure…

The current crop of execs grew up watching Star Trek TNG - a flying office building where everyone lives for their work and you could sound a klaxon and everyone scrambles to the conference room. Also everyone loves and is willing to die for the leader. That's all you need to know.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#118

That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…

That's the double-edged sword of capital markets, right? If you take investment then you need to produce big returns forever, and if you don't then you're in danger of being beaten in the short term by those who do. Small consultancies and contract shops might be an exception, but that's not because of the owner is wise so much as because those kinds of businesses don't scale with investment like more typical software companies.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#119

That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…

From experience, without company or team growth there is very little scope for you to grow in your career: everyone keep their jobs at best and someone has to leave for another employee to be promoted. If you're OK with that, sure. But if you're aiming for promotions and personal growth, move.

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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post #31

For me, the main sign that it's time to leave a company is when I start fantasizing regularly about leaving the company. My gut seems to be wiser than my head on this stuff. Nearly every time that I've moved on, it's turned out to be the right call in hindsight.

I still follow same advise my dad told me before I left for Navy bootcamp. He was an Army vet. But it goes something like, 'when you wake up in the morning and realize you hate putting on that fucking uniform, its time to hang it up. Or else you'll end up doing shit and getting in trouble.' Now that I am out and went into software, and even before while I was working in the chemical industry while I went to school, I use that same philosophy but reworded.
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