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Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

NewJazz wrote: post #22
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #14

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Arista or whitebox switches, depending on how big you are and your appetite to DIY your network as code vs DIY writing configuration.

What is a whitebox switch?

It's decoupling the hardware from the software of the switch.

Historically, you buy a Cisco switch, you run IOS (or NX-OS).

You buy a Juniper switch, you run JunOS.

A company called Cumulus came around (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_Networks) and changed a lot of that (they aren't solely responsible and there are other reasons why but they are very important here).

At the same time, instead of each switch vendor making their own chips, Broadcom started making generic chips which they would sell to anyone (Lookup Broadcom Trident), so, many switch vendors started using those instead of custom silicon.

At the same time, many people started talking about network as code and doing overlay networking things with control planes that didn't fit into the normal models for how these switches worked and were configured (configuration and routing changes which happen in milliseconds over custom protocols instead of ssh to switch and "configure, set route ..." etc etc).

The convergence of this was that the network hardware and network software got decoupled and commoditized. You could buy a Juniper OCX (the OCX line was specifically for this) and install Cisco NX-OS on it if you wanted.

Broadly this was a really good thing for the networking industry IMO.

Also, all of the above generally only applies to the what people refer to as switches (though they can and do route), and not routers (think BGP edge routers) proper (which can and do switch) and are broadly still custom silicon ASIC with much more bespoke and advanced feature sets and can only run the vendor's software.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

coxley wrote: post #74
dbmnt wrote: post #19

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I'm just curious, why would you want to run unsigned code on a Juniper device? What is the use case?

Custom collection daemon or other type of agent.

Considering how annoying SNMP is to use and how terrible the alternatives are, that would have been a very good use case.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by outworlder »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #91
woleium wrote: post #30

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Never buy a consumer print device. The enterprise kit from HP is still good.

I'll just never buy a printer without an ink tank again.

Ink tanks are better but still not great. If the cartridge had the print head, at least you will replace both if there's a problem anywhere in the cartridge. If it doesn't, such as in all eco tanks, it can clog, especially if not used in a while.

Laser printers are just better. I can't think of a reason for inkjets anymore that's not niche.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by supportengineer »

outworlder wrote: post #113
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #91

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I'll just never buy a printer without an ink tank again.

Ink tanks are better but still not great. If the cartridge had the print head, at least you will replace both if there's a problem anywhere in the cartridge. If it doesn't, such as in all eco tanks, it can clog, especially if not used in a while. Laser printers are just better. I can't think of a reason for inkjets anymore that's not niche.

Inkjets can print photos

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by supportengineer »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #63
vladvasiliu wrote: post #56

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Not sure exactly where the line lies between "consumer" and "enterprise". But, anecdotally, my employer (which is a pretty big enterprise) has small HP laser printers which cost a few hundred dollars ( They've always worked perfectly on both Linux and Windows and need no maintenance, just remember to turn them on. Most of them are still on their original toner (we don't print that much). Newer models seem to come wit…

This is the secret to a great printing experience. Buying a no-frills laser printer, preferably black/white only.

I have the $80 Brother black and white networked laser printer. It’s been great. No hassles. It just works.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by wolverine876 »

jtriangle wrote: post #53
wolverine876 wrote: post #46

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Those very market giants have people repeating that it's the regulators, which are their bane, rather than the Republican Party, which do everything to undermine not only all regulation (you can see how people blaming the regulators would serve the Republicans), but every other aspect of government - even tax collection - that would stand in the way of the power of market oligarchs.

The party doesn't matter, government regulation is mostly allowed to exist at the behest of defacto monopolies. It sure as hell isn't the common man making these things happen, nor is it people who represent us in a meaningful way. It does play into their hands perfectly to blame 'the Republicans' or 'the Democrats', and it does indeed make the problem seem more solvable, easy solution right? Vote out the other guy,…

I don't know how you can see GOP behavior, in Congress, the courts, and (when they have it) the White House, and overlook the radical anti-regulation, pro-corruption and power policies and actions.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by SkipperCat »

JackSlateur wrote: post #107
SkipperCat wrote: post #78

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But Arista only has switching hardware and a few other specialty devices (L1 switches from their Metamako purchase). Vendors like Juniper offer load balancers, firewalls and everything else you need for managing a data center or company.

Load balancer, firewalls and everything else you need for managing a data center or compagny are virtual machines It has been years since those features are best served via a general-purpose CPU Those appliances are nothing but a rebranded servers with some more-or-less interesting software

True, but a lot of companies want to source it all from a single vendor so they can talk to one entity when dealing with configuration/integration issues. Its not how I roll but it is how a lot of big companies operate.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by SkipperCat »

merlyn wrote: post #100
SkipperCat wrote: post #20

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Companies go with Juniper because they can outfit a data center at half the price of Cisco. NYSE did that a decade or more ago with their Mahwah data center. Its not really a bad strategy. If you're going to have a large team of network engineers work continuously on a the Juniper tech stack, they'll get use to it - even if they were raised on Cisco IOS. Juniper stuff works just as well as the rest of them.

For a very long time, Juniper lead over Cisco for performance and features. After the run of the original Catalyst switches, Cisco was floundering, resting on their past successes without really pushing anything. We bought Juniper gear at the time because nothing Cisco had would work well for us. At least at not any sane price point, and lots of restrictions/gotchas. Cisco finally got their wind back eventually on th…

Agreed, WARP mode on the Nexus does give some pretty nice port-to-port latencies (for a L3 switch - L1 gear blows them all away).

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by SkipperCat »

briffle wrote: post #88
SkipperCat wrote: post #20

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Companies go with Juniper because they can outfit a data center at half the price of Cisco. NYSE did that a decade or more ago with their Mahwah data center. Its not really a bad strategy. If you're going to have a large team of network engineers work continuously on a the Juniper tech stack, they'll get use to it - even if they were raised on Cisco IOS. Juniper stuff works just as well as the rest of them.

The first time i did a commit, knocked myself off the system, and it automatically rolled back its config 5 min later because I didn't do a 'commit confirm' was kind of mindblowing.

Ha! I laugh because I've done the same exact thing... It is a paradigm shift coming from Cisco to JuniperOS.
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