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YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by jadbox »

trogdor wrote: post #82

This article is misleading, since it omits very important information. See the screenshot provided by the YouTuber regarding the Content ID claim? Look at the far right of the screenshot. There’s a “Select Action” link. I make my living from YouTube, and I am going to explain what’s behind that link. When a creator receives a Content ID claim, that’s the beginning of a process, not the end. Content ID claims can be d…

I've worked in digital rights management for YouTube media, and (dare I say) it is far from being pretty good. Claimers can basically deny revenue to uploaded videos for months at a time while the dispute process is occuring. This period is a killzone as many content creators often rely on both the timing and month-to-month revenue to pay bills (content creation doesn't pay well to begin with).

The end effect is that claimers bully the industry far beyond what the legal rights that they hold.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by chasd00 »

CalRobert wrote: post #101
nmz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

"once upon a time a beautiful but poor girl married a rich dude and everything was great"

Heh if by “once upon a time “ you mean all day every day since forever.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

There is a direct financial benefit. Their pseudo-DMCA automated takedown process, biased toward big media interests, has protected them from massive lawsuits.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by AkBKukU »

trogdor wrote: post #82

This article is misleading, since it omits very important information. See the screenshot provided by the YouTuber regarding the Content ID claim? Look at the far right of the screenshot. There’s a “Select Action” link. I make my living from YouTube, and I am going to explain what’s behind that link. When a creator receives a Content ID claim, that’s the beginning of a process, not the end. Content ID claims can be d…

I also make my living from Youtube and I would strongly disagree that it is fair.

On the absolute most simple basis, false claims can be damaging to the creator but the same false claims are completely risk free to the issuers.

The problem shown in the OP is an additional layer of complexity where another company is contacting the creator on behalf of Disney which muddies the waters on who exactly is filing the claim and whether they have the right to.

The only thing in the Content ID system that is built in favor of the creator is if the claim issuer doesn't progress the counter claim and it is automatically dismissed.

This doesn't even get into the likely diminished recommendations the video will get after being flagged, the time wasted by the creator to manual fight things that can be spammed with the API (0), and the unfair revenue splits that can result if the creator did make an honest mistake.

(0) https://developers.google.com/youtube/partner/identify_conte...

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Post by dryuppi »

well_actulily wrote: post #74
nmz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

Lessig isn't saying we should keep children away from morals. He's criticizing how Disney adapted the Brothers Grimm's stories, which often preached heavy-handed and regressive moral lessons in a moralizing manner.

This is an almost impressive misinterpretation.

What lessig is likely referring to is the violent and grotesque consequences of the original Grimm stories as well as their brazen antisemitism.

https://www.history.com/news/the-dark-side-of-the-grimm-fair...

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Post by jMyles »

willcipriano wrote: post #103
alephnerd wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that IP and the talent behind it became Disney's after the acquired Pixar from Steve Jobs.

Oh OK, I was wondering how they came up with so many original ideas but it makes sense now that they had to buy them.

Bahaha... oh man... I'm imagining this comment being read in the voice and cadence of standup comedy.

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Post by foobarian »

sbergot wrote: post #76
nmz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

In the original stories the bad guys are punished in a cruel and horrible way. Like forced to dance with red-hot iron shoes.

The Girl Who Sold Matches is my personal favorite.

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Post by jamespo »

willcipriano wrote: post #88
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public domain for thee, but not for me.

Hey come on they have original ideas, talking African animals, talking cars, talking fish, talking toys. Without intellectual property protection they wouldn't of made all these super original ideas.

I love watching 2 hour animated films with no dialogue personally

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Post by merelysounds »

fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Both the Steamboat Bill[1] and the Steamboat Willie[2] wikipedia pages state that this was about parodying the title. Note that there was also a 1910 song "Steamboat Bill"[3].

> The film inspired the title of Walt Disney's Steamboat Willie (1928), which was released six months later and is considered the debut of Mickey Mouse.

> The title of the film may be a parody of the Buster Keaton film Steamboat Bill, Jr. (1928), itself a reference to the song by Collins.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboat_Bill,_Jr.

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboat_Willie

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboat_Bill

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Post by jMyles »

rsynnott wrote: post #108
nmz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

The moral of the story for quite a lot of these stories is... a bit effed up. Like, try getting a coherent one out of The Little Mermaid.

> try getting a coherent one out of The Little Mermaid.

It is possible to do just this, and to make a terrific and nurturing film out of it. See Ponyo.

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