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WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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> Toggle the switch on the Smallstep RADIUS Root CA to enable Full Trust. The Smallstep RADIUS Root CA is now trusted. What could possibly go wrong? How do you do this without trusting some external CA?

right!? i was hoping this would be a guide with something like freeradius and letsencrypt/acme to handle certs instead of yet another rando “free until we go under/get bought” saas service

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

#112
post #64

Personally I've essentially given up on depending on WiFi auth for anything important. For general access, segmenting various users, IOT etc for performance, monitoring and light privacy WPA-EAP and PPSKs with VLANs does some work as an initial first layer fine and in a simple reliable way that works with everything. It's a low pass filter. But for all sensitive access I use internal Wireguard now. WiFi auth gets a c…

What is your threat model to warrant this effort at home? Are your work-related machines not networking through an encrypted tunnel in some other way (that would be a serious oversight!)? What government are you living under that is routinely compromising WPA3 from mobile vans? Are friends/guests so untrustworthy that you can allow them into your home but can’t trust the VLAN implementation of your network equipment to protect you from them accessing your network admin plane?

I’m asking incredulous and probing questions because I used to live life the way you are currently, and it’s frankly unhealthy for the human brain. If “home” feels like such an unsafe place to warrant your current measures, you need to either make serious changes to where home is, or your mental state. Neither is easy but at least one is necessary.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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post #84
post #82

It makes me sad that even WPA3 doesn’t have a native provisioning mechanism. In a better world, a device would present its MAC address, some description of itself, a public key, and optional extra data (e.g. an attestation of the hardware security backing its keypair, and the network operator could, at its leisure, accept this device. Then printers, smart devices, etc could join without needing to each support an MDM…

> It makes me sad that even WPA3 doesn’t have a native provisioning mechanism. And that's how you get spoofing management frames, deauthing, and all sorts of fun attacks. Cause the moment you talk to unauthenticated and unencrypted machines, well, yeah. Payday. So you cant do that, even if you really want to.

Huh? Almost every cryptographic session protocol starts out with the parties sending unauthenticated data of some sort to each other. Having a way for a party to send a blob as part of its request to be let in is straightforward.

Plus we’re taking about WPA, which, AFAIK, still uses a horrible hack for EAP even in WPA3, and as you can see mentioned elsewhere in the comments, EAP makes a pretty strong showing in its quest to be the worst widely-used example of giving an unauthenticated party actual access to the network as part of the authentication flow.

Doing this right is not that complicated.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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> Once you’ve installed the profile, we once again need to manually tweak trust settings. This time to explicitly enable Full Trust for the Smallstep RADIUS server’s root CA. Again, this is not true for a full MDM enrollment.

Do not download and install and fully trust root CAs from anyone on your iPhone.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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I'm just amazed that there's SCIF approved wifi. I assumed I'd be dead of old age before that happened.

I'll believe it when I see it. They don't cite where it suggests in any capacity that Wi-Fi is ever acceptable for Secret or TS data transmission. If this was approved for anything it'd probably be CUI information at most (ignoring the many issues with their actual implementation).

As someone noted above the Commercial Solutions for Classified program has been in existence for a long while (probably over a decade). This package is newer but not wildly newer. Installs of the various 'packages' do exist.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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> However, if you want a home network that’s simple to configure, easy for your guests to borrow, hassle-free, and that all of your Smart Home gadgets can connect to, then you should close this tab now Or do what I do: run multiple APs. I have my primary one, which is very tightly secured and monitored, and only gives access to my local VPN. I have a guest one, which is only as secure as any average AP and gets you i…

Anyone can have access to my LAN. It’s not a security boundary, and pretending like it is means you can never safely connect to airport or hotel wifi.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll believe it when I see it. They don't cite where it suggests in any capacity that Wi-Fi is ever acceptable for Secret or TS data transmission. If this was approved for anything it'd probably be CUI information at most (ignoring the many issues with their actual implementation).

As someone noted above the Commercial Solutions for Classified program has been in existence for a long while (probably over a decade). This package is newer but not wildly newer. Installs of the various 'packages' do exist.

Huh interesting. I can't imagine where people would willingly use it.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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post #64

Personally I've essentially given up on depending on WiFi auth for anything important. For general access, segmenting various users, IOT etc for performance, monitoring and light privacy WPA-EAP and PPSKs with VLANs does some work as an initial first layer fine and in a simple reliable way that works with everything. It's a low pass filter. But for all sensitive access I use internal Wireguard now. WiFi auth gets a c…

What is your threat model to warrant this effort at home? Are your work-related machines not networking through an encrypted tunnel in some other way (that would be a serious oversight!)? What government are you living under that is routinely compromising WPA3 from mobile vans? Are friends/guests so untrustworthy that you can allow them into your home but can’t trust the VLAN implementation of your network equipment…

  What government are you living under that is routinely compromising WPA3 from mobile vans?
I imagine living in any decent sized downtown area would have your network being scanned by thousands of machines daily. Especially if near important infrastructure, law enforcement, etc.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, they put out an article a few years ago talking about how a limited number of SCIFs have WiFi now

Do they broadcast an SSID? They can't have "NotYourSCIF". That's my home network. Someone else is the building is using "FSB_BugsNet". Another local one i see is "CEyeA".

SCIFs are already shielded for EM, so any Wi-Fi inside of them shouldn’t make it outside of them anyway.

Re: WPA3 Enterprise 192-bit mode at home

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post #64

Personally I've essentially given up on depending on WiFi auth for anything important. For general access, segmenting various users, IOT etc for performance, monitoring and light privacy WPA-EAP and PPSKs with VLANs does some work as an initial first layer fine and in a simple reliable way that works with everything. It's a low pass filter. But for all sensitive access I use internal Wireguard now. WiFi auth gets a c…

What is your threat model to warrant this effort at home? Are your work-related machines not networking through an encrypted tunnel in some other way (that would be a serious oversight!)? What government are you living under that is routinely compromising WPA3 from mobile vans? Are friends/guests so untrustworthy that you can allow them into your home but can’t trust the VLAN implementation of your network equipment…

> unhealthy for the human brain

Fortunately, wired networking continues to work reliably, unlike frequently "New and Improved" wireless increments.

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