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Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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Yeah I have 3.5TB of photos. Backing them up redundantly is a bit of a pain but just a few external drives will do it, though requires manual syncing

Thanks. Also...holy shit, I haven't kept up on how precipitously prices for storage have dropped. Just saw a 10 TB external drive for only $150!

That 10TB drive is 100% fake! Amazon is full of fakes. A good rule of thumb right now is $60/TB, significantly less and you're approaching fake territory.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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Thanks. Also...holy shit, I haven't kept up on how precipitously prices for storage have dropped. Just saw a 10 TB external drive for only $150!

That 10TB drive is 100% fake! Amazon is full of fakes. A good rule of thumb right now is $60/TB, significantly less and you're approaching fake territory.

I should be clearer - that drive is fake if it's an SSD, it's a normal price for HDDs. Cost per TB of HDD isn't linear, though, it's a bit of a bathtub based on drive capacity and feature set (e.g CMR vs SMR)

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I use B2 as the backend for my personal backups using restic (which I would highly recommend https://github.com/restic/restic ). I don't have a ton of data to backup, so even with hourly backups (restic only backs up when there are changes) I have ~100GB and it runs me a whopping $0.60/month. I almost feel guilty when I get the bill. But the minute I need to pick a storage platform in a professional context I know wh…

Another fan of B2 here. I do the same instead using k8up to backup my k8s PVCs to B2. K8up uses restic in the background.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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post #84

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First make sure you understand how they handle encryption. The features and ease of use come at the cost of some security. They generate a public/private key pair for the user. The client gets the public key and the server gets the private key. During backups the data is encrypted on the client with a symmetric key (which I believe is generated on the client). The encrypted data is sent to the server. The symmetric k…

While I completely agree: I don't believe this applies to Restic (or many other many-cloud-host backup software). It seems to be using the dumb S3 like API with an entirely local encryption, as do many others because that's kinda the only portable way to do encryption. I have not dug into it in detail though, so I would encourage everyone to not believe this without verifying.

This is correct. Details about it's usage of encryption is here: https://restic.readthedocs.io/en/v0.4.0/Design/#keys-encrypt...

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I use B2 as the backend for my personal backups using restic (which I would highly recommend https://github.com/restic/restic ). I don't have a ton of data to backup, so even with hourly backups (restic only backs up when there are changes) I have ~100GB and it runs me a whopping $0.60/month. I almost feel guilty when I get the bill. But the minute I need to pick a storage platform in a professional context I know wh…

For $9/month you would get a lot more features from the backup service. The interesting ones being File Sharing and Extended Version History. So it depends if you want those, as well as a nice web UI. And at 1TB the numbers get closer, at 2TB it becomes cheaper to use the backup service. The main thing for me is legacy. In my will it is a lot easier to explain how to get files from the standard backup plan, rather th…

> For $9/month you would get a lot more features from the backup service.

Worth noting it's only available on Windows + OSX.

Presumably since they offer unlimited storage and don't want people installing the cloud backup tool on their NAS.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First make sure you understand how they handle encryption. The features and ease of use come at the cost of some security. They generate a public/private key pair for the user. The client gets the public key and the server gets the private key. During backups the data is encrypted on the client with a symmetric key (which I believe is generated on the client). The encrypted data is sent to the server. The symmetric k…

While I completely agree: I don't believe this applies to Restic (or many other many-cloud-host backup software). It seems to be using the dumb S3 like API with an entirely local encryption, as do many others because that's kinda the only portable way to do encryption. I have not dug into it in detail though, so I would encourage everyone to not believe this without verifying.

Yup. What can cause confusion is that Backblaze is offering multiple storage products. One is a cloud storage service similar to S3, and one is a computer backup service and accompanying client software.

• If you use the backup service, which is called Computer Backup, Backblaze supplies the client backup software. Computer Backup is $9/month/computer (with discounts if you pay in advance which can lower it to $5.25/month/computer if you pay 3 years in advance) and has file sharing and mobile apps.

It's meant to be an all-in-one easy to use backup service that you don't have to think much about.

• If you are using the S3-like service, which is called B2, Backblaze just provides storage and an API. If you want to use it for backup you have to supply the backup software, such as Restic. It is priced based on storage rather than number of computer, costing $6/TB/month.

There are no data transfer costs for uploads. Downloads are $0.01/GB but each month you get free up to 3x the total amount you have stored. You'd have to be having a really bad month if you had to restore your entire backup more than 3 times!

There are also charges for using some API calls. It looks like upload and delete calls are free, download calls are 2500 free per day then $0.0004 per 10000, and calls that manipulate data on the server like copying are 2500 free per day then $0.0004 per 1000 calls. That doesn't seem too bad. Downloading a million files in one day would be about $0.40.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I continue to be super confused by this. The blog post says, as you quote: > we made it clear that customers can serve video and other large files using the CDN so long as that content is hosted by a Cloudflare service like Stream, Images, or R2. But when I click through to the specific CDN terms it still says: > Unless you are an Enterprise customer, Cloudflare offers specific Paid Services (e.g., the Developer Plat…

Yea.. the blog post and the terms don't exactly align. Looking at the Terms only, they say "specific Paid Services" and in the Developer Platform Terms, further say > The Cloudflare Developer Platform consists of the following Services: (i) Cloudflare Workers, a Service that permits developers to deploy and run encapsulated versions of their proprietary software source code (each a “Workers Script”) on Cloudflare’s e…

Given that no Cloudflare employees chimed in when we talked about this last on Discord, seems they’re confused too.

I should probably use our enterprise support for once to get a clarifying answer..

Personally / my company is sticking with what the terms say, and not a blog post (which may not have been reviewed as heavily). Makes sense, since we agreed to the terms, not every blog post.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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I really wished Backblaze B2 worked better to be a real alternative to S3. The pricing is a middle finger to AWS and other providers. However, we were having 1 outage per month with B2, and in the middle of 2023 we decided to go back to AWS and only use S3 for replication. We still monitor both services simultaneously (S3 and B2), and every other month we are still having an episode where the latency rises from 15ms…

Yeah turns out S3 is expensive because all those 9s cost $$$

Also the cool features around deletion prevention, automatic lifecycle management.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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What's my best bet for cost-effective and convenient external local storage? I have a ton of photos and large videos which are consuming tens of GBs on my main computer's hard drive. Just get a cheap thumb flash drive?

I'd recommend a USB-connected external hard drive (not SSD). You don't have very much data, so a thumb drive could probably hold everything, but SSDs/flash aren't great for long-term data storage and will lose their data if you don't power them up and use them now and then. An actual HD doesn't have this problem, plus they're typically 1TB+ so you'd have plenty of space for future needs.

Alternatively, you could get a handful of flash thumb drives and back up onto all of them, syncing with a different one each week/month/whenever so that they're all getting continuously refreshed and you'd have snapshots in case you accidentally delete something and that deletion gets synced to the most-recent drive.

Re: The drive stats of Backblaze storage pods

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R2 is so slow

Woah. Do you have any concrete stats to share? I would be curious to heard about other people's experiences.

It’s been several months since I last did any testing, but I do remember B2 being faster (latency) R2 when we did some benchmarks (small files only) with a Worker.
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