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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by 127361 »

Riverheart wrote: post #56
PedroBatista wrote: post #14

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

Some of us scold Mozilla because they have lost track of their original purpose which is to develop a Web browser, instead they have started to become a political advocacy organization. One that is against freedom of speech and in favor of censorship.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

woodruffw wrote: post #67

In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

> Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled.

That's an interesting angle. I suppose we could compare against Mozilla's stats on download numbers and telemetry? Though between users downloading from distro mirrors and disabling telemetry (I suspect Firefox users are far more likely to be privacy conscious and/or Linux users) those will also be fuzzy.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by KennyBlanken »

woodruffw wrote: post #67

In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

Firefox has all sorts of telemetry reporting so they know exactly how much usage the browser is getting.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by caycep »

I guess the question - why can't Mozilla (or at least Firefox) - be like the Linux kernel or the Debian group? They are healthy open source projects, some funding from industry, sure, but they're staying current in the latest tech/comp-sci tech while not beholden to anyone in particular (I hope)

Organizational baggage?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by skrebbel »

dougmwne wrote: post #107

Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

Which taxpayers exactly are you referring to?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #105
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use FF is my daily driver for home stuff; work in chrome/edge. When I see things that are wrong, I point them out. We can champion FF for the good things it does and absolutely we can bash CxO club for slowly running it to the ground. Not accurate, this is likely one of the few ways we can exert some minimal level of influence over this. And besides, what did not complaining ever achieve?

> what did not complaining ever achieve? self-satisfaction and just being a better person

Hmm. I am willing to explore it a little further.

Does one become a better person simply by staying quiet?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by yawaramin »

woodruffw wrote: post #67

In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

Wouldn't that be easy to verify by just looking at the relative market shares of different browsers and checking if there is an 'unknown' browser whose market share is increasing proportionately to Firefox's decrease?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by woodruffw »

yawaramin wrote: post #117
woodruffw wrote: post #67

In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

Wouldn't that be easy to verify by just looking at the relative market shares of different browsers and checking if there is an 'unknown' browser whose market share is increasing proportionately to Firefox's decrease?

Not if the metrics come solely from analytics like GA. It would appear as an absolute decline in browser numbers instead (which would probably be indistinguishable from noise in most samples).

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Riverheart »

macspoofing wrote: post #90
Riverheart wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

>ut if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink Did you say that Firefox is a 'money sink' for Mozilla? The thing that brings them half a billion dollars a year and corresponds to the vast majority of their revenue ... and is the only thing that gives them relevance .. to you, this is a 'money sink'?

There is more nuance here than your comment assumes. If Firefox makes X dollars by investing Y dollars but Y+N dollars doesn’t return more money, they will spend the minimum amount on Firefox and allocate the remaining funds elsewhere because otherwise they’d be throwing money away, or so the C-Suite assumes.

You think Pocket and Mozilla VPN sprung up because creating new products was easier than investing more into the golden goose? If Firefox was the end all be all that would be the obvious, safest business decision. Clearly they don’t think it is and that they can get more money through diversification.

A number of people here believe that Firefox is only supported by Google so they can avoid anti trust. If that were the case they’d pay Mozilla regardless of how good/bad Firefox was wouldn’t they?

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