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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by xorcist »

benbristow wrote: post #41
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

Ah yes, a government owned email service, what could go wrong?

Several countries have them. Maybe ask them?

The reality is that it is about as exciting as getting your paper postal mail delivered in your physical mailbox.

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Post by seszett »

wolverine876 wrote: post #107
huhtenberg wrote: post #90

We go through this every few months. Here's the recipe - 1. Visit https://olcsupport.office.com/ and submit the complaint. 2. Wait for the auto-reply, followed by the "Nothing was detected" email. 3. Reply to the latter with "Escalate" in the body. Within a day, they hammer shit in place and the block is removed.

Do they ever respond? Maybe the block comes and goes, and has nothing to do with attempts to contact Microsoft?

They responded to me when I asked to get unblocked:

We have implemented mitigation for your IP (51.15.2.26) and this process may take 24 - 48 hours to replicate completely throughout our system.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by seszett »

anticensor wrote: post #104
hadrien01 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The French post office does offer an email service: https://www.laposte.net/accueil

Can it communicate with outside email? Some countries have a similar service that cannot communicate with outside email.

It's just a regular email provider. I'm not sure I would trust it to keep working forever, but for the last 15 years or so it's been fine.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by spoiledtechie »

GMail is the worst for email blocking resolutions. They don't have an effective feedback loop built into their system. So when a user does block you, no one is told about it, to be fixed. Therefore lowering your reputation with them over time.

How can we as ESPs respond to them appropriately with removal of these people who don't want our emails anymore, if we don't know who the user is?

If there are any GMAIL service team members here, I would LOVE to know why a feedback loop was never implemented like the other providers.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by ejb999 »

sp332 wrote: post #106
briandear wrote: post #101

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How poor are people that a low cost email service is too expensive? $5 a month for Europeans or Americans would be nothing. Think how much poor people spend on stamps.

Poor enough that they don’t have a bank account to pay for the email service.

and yet we assume they are wealthy enough to own a mobile phone and/or computer/tablet to access that email.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by ceejayoz »

judge2020 wrote: post #89
blcknight wrote: post #42

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This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

The US is absolutely leading the way, it’s just being done by companies like Ring.

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Post by ubertaco »

airstrike wrote: post #93
Aardwolf wrote: post #88

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Make it cost a few cents to send a mail with it, just like stamps of physical mail. It's mostly intended for receiving anyway.

That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

Yeah, just like how physical mail works. Nobody ever has to deal with spam in their physical mailbox. (/s)

That just becomes marketing budget for spammers (which is to say, those for whom email is a component of a revenue stream), and a layer of cost friction for everyone else — meaning that you only really reduce the percentage of email that's actually sincere, non-"hustle"-driven communication.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by inetknght »

thejosh wrote: post #23
vouaobrasil wrote: post #12

Running a mail server should be something anyone can do. And while this is cool, there are so many other problems to do it. It's the price we pay of letting big tech companies control so much of the virtual infrastructure: big tech has commoditized the internet so much into a platform for consumerism that it becomes a valuable target for spam. In my opinion, the internet would be much better if none of the big player…

The main benefit of Gmail and other big providers is the anti-spam, anti-scam, "Google knows best" approach works really well. When I last helped manage a mail server for a small business (late 2000's) SPAM was an absolute mess. You can really see why Azure etc has consumed on-premise Exchange. The massive downside is they are the deciders of who gets through their gates, and if you're on their shitlist, goodluck.

> The main benefit of Gmail and other big providers is the anti-spam, anti-scam, "Google knows best" approach works really well.

We've been spammed and scammed into thinking this is true. Sadly, Gmail is actually worse than competitors and especially worse than running your own email server.

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Post by Pathogen-David »

BSDobelix wrote: post #36
Pathogen-David wrote: post #26

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Another useful tool is https://www.learndmarc.com/ -- I found the presentation very helpful when I was finally getting on the DMARC train a while back.

True, MECSA is also interesting: https://mecsa.jrc.ec.europa.eu/en/

Ooh, thank you for sharing! This has given me a few things I should look into improving with my setup.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by rixthefox »

airstrike wrote: post #93
Aardwolf wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make it cost a few cents to send a mail with it, just like stamps of physical mail. It's mostly intended for receiving anyway.

That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

I disagree. I don't believe that would solve spam you would just force the spammers to use much more aggressive tactics. If you introduce a fee to email you're only hurting the people who actively communicate back and forth via email as a primary method. Mailing lists anyone?

Spammers will take your $0.02 fee per email as an operational expense. Most spam is not sent by the spammers themselves from their own servers but are instead relayed through a third party who handles the delivery part on their behalf who are paid money to run these spam campaigns through their servers instead anyways so they are already paying a fee, this is just an extra cost on top of what they are already paying to do it.

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