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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by AdrianB1 »

4ad wrote: post #72
AdrianB1 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I owned almost a dozen Dacia's, but not the Logan. I never got to a car shop for any repairs until I had one with warranty, otherwise I was doing all the repairs on my own, including engine rebuilds and even a chassis swap (brand new car totalled in a crash, bough a new chassis and swapped every single part to it). So, labor was cheap, parts were cheap, cost of ownership was cheap :)

Sounds like you are not valuing your time.

I was a poor student at that time with no opportunities, fixing my car was cheaper than paying someone else to do it: my time was tax free (50% tax on labor).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

izacus wrote: post #94
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.

> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though?

That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures.

I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persisted across restarts and ultimately required servicing.

How was this recorded? User error. In part because there is a dealership between me and the manufacturer that is responsible for servicing the vehicle.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by croes »

europeanNyan wrote: post #89
croes wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, infotainment is a relatively recent feature of cars.

What is there to be fair about? We've had various iterations of GPS navigation for decades now. Yet, most maps on most infotainments are unusable slow pieces of rubbish. UX of various GUIs has been a point of research for a very long time. Yet, they are discovering it as if it was a completely new concept, the concept of touching something and it actually doing something in a short amount of time. It's like they are…

Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off.

Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by intrasight »

pqwEfkvjs wrote: post #41

Tesla owners are probably so rich they can just buy another when the car breaks down. Or why would anyone buy a Tesla in the first place if they were not angry at money.

Perhaps used to be true. Other car prices have caught up with Tesla.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nickpp »

bayindirh wrote: post #110
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

> They move fast and break things.

You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by AdrianB1 »

ben_w wrote: post #27
AdrianB1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regular inspection for ICE vehicles is centered around oil changes, air filter change (engine, not cabin), valve checks and distribution chain/belt changes. Everything else, from brake pads (wear sensors entered the chat), tires (life varies a lot, from 10k km to over 40k km for cars), windshield wipers (no determined lifetime, change it when it breaks) to brake fluid (recommended to change every 3 years) are don…

How much does this vary by jurisdiction? I remember the UK has the "MOT test" which I think does rather more than that, but that's just the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test

The official inspection is different by jurisdiction, the maintenance plan depends on the manufacturer. The inspection and maintenance are different, for example in regular maintenance schedule there is no emissions check, while the inspection does it. The other way around, maintenance includes checks on all fluid level (coolant, brake, washer) while the inspection does not.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by [deleted] »

audunw wrote: post #49
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by namdnay »

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Yeah the presence of Dacia at the bottom leads one to suspect correlation with other factors, given that Dacia are quite reliable by design (they literally take the most reliable parts from the Renaults of 10+ years ago and repackage them as new models)

As you say, I suspect the lack of scheduled maintenance significantly impacts the ratings here

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ddalex »

grecy wrote: post #108
skrause wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc

Interesting it makes no mention the federal loans were repaid in full, early, with interest.[1] As apposed to GM & Chrysler who got billions in bailouts that were never repaid. [2] [1] https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/autos/tesla-loan-repayment/... [2] https://theweek.com/articles/454749/auto-bailout-officially-...

So what? you asked about A, you received A, now you whine "why don't you mention B!?!"

The discussion is about subsidies not loans or bailouts (which are different things)

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