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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Right, we havent spent the last 30 years trying to summon khorn over there, they are clearly irrational evil people that we just need to kill.

> they are clearly irrational evil people that we just need to kill We don’t need to kill them. But it’s naive to think appeasement will work with folks calling for the destruction of an entire people. I suppose if I’m going to complain about us having to learn this lesson time and again, I should learn that well-meaning but tragically-naïve people will keep trying it, time and again. (Appeasement isn’t always irrati…

People argue about what motivated the 9/11 highjackers. Some will say, bin laden hated America, forget what he says about dual containment, he actually just hates us and is using that as a justification. Others will say, look, hes pointing out exactly what hes mad about, he says it right there.

The former calls the latter naïve, the latter calls the former bellicose, they could well be both wrong. Maybe bin laden did just hate us, and maybe that doesnt matter, because his little empire was built on a different message that he could convince people it was worth dying for.

In Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, Robert Pape shows that all suicide bombings from 1980 to 2005 were the result of a people being occupied. I am not convinced that anyone actually wants conflict, not once theyve seen it and are subject to it at least, unless there is a direct incentive. You might think these people wont stop until they are dead or accomplish their most hardline public talking points, but I find it far more likely that theyd rather be home with their kids than out in the field guarding an unguardable missile launcher.

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Gaza isn't in Yemen so it is not self defense

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> Maybe freedom and sovereignty haters might disagree but Yemen has the right to control what goes through their own waters.

The Houthis aren't the recognized sovereign government of Yemen, though.

International law doesn't grant them those rights over the strait, either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_passage

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Gaza isn't in Yemen so it is not self defense

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> right to control what goes through their own waters

You're wrong about this. Their freedom and sovereignty to punch ends where the other person's face starts.

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Excuse me, talking with whom? If you want to shoot, shoot! Don't talk

Well yes, the goal is to shoot, talking wont bring more profit to lockheed after all, only killing can do that.

You're oversimplifying I'm afraid. Just because people make money out of war doesn't necessarily mean it's for no reason.

Just like the war on Nazis, some wars have to be fought, especially if your goal is to save lives.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Tanzania may have the lowest GDP of the three port countries mentioned but Dar es Salaam has the largest population compared to the smaller cities of Mombasa and Durban. From what little I understand the Tanzanian government may be in the best place politically to use these stress tests to focus more attention on port health and capabilities. I'd be happy for anyone else to weigh in.

Not sure why population matters.

> Maersk said vessels routed around the Cape will as far as possible try to fuel at origin or destination.

> “In case there is a need for bunkering en route, it would be decided on a case by case basis with Walvis Bay (Namibia) or Port Louis (Mauritius) being the top options,” a spokesperson said.

I grew up in Walvis Bay and back then I could cycle from one end to the other in well under 30min. Last census says 62k pop.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

No Chinese ship has been targeted so far, to my knowledge, even if transiting.

I wonder what all those container ships contain. Possibly containers from the largest exporter in the world (China), heading to the second largest market in the world (Europe)?

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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> Maybe freedom and sovereignty haters might disagree but Yemen has the right to control what goes through their own waters. The Houthis aren't the recognized sovereign government of Yemen, though. International law doesn't grant them those rights over the strait, either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_passage

That's for the Yemeni government forces to sort out. Not for hackernews Yemen-flattening enthusiasts to determine.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Or maybe iran deduces that the US isnt capable of doing the same to them and makes this unimaginably worse.

> iran deduces that the US isnt capable of doing the same to them Why do you think we moved a carrier strike group to the Strait of Hormuz before sailing it to Yemen [1]? [1] https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/11/27/ike-carr...

Make no mistake, the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut, and it would take aircraft carriers at the bottom of the ocean to open it via force. The US is currently 5-10 years behind in weapons technology, and iran has a lot of those weapons waiting in systems of mountain range bunkers that you would have to get through. War with iran will be as historically significant as the sacking of rome on our own economy and global reputation.
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