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Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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It's unfortunately accurate that a lot of roles and people in those roles are indeed purely bullet-point driven for their resumes. If you're entering a role at a mid-level or junior, you're likely stuck with their tech stack choices. At senior or higher, it's usually about delivering results and the tech stack is up to you. I've never paid much attention to specific job requirements, just whether or not I could solve…

The business risks surrounding unpopular choices are generally strong enough to overwhelm the technical arguments. So why should a lead choose htmx? IMO only if the project was trivial enough to bring on such whimsical risk.

The fact that a library which does nothing more than swap a DOM element after an XHR request has the entire React community forming a collective shield wall should illuminate why it’s a dead-end technology.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#112

Why would you ever pay for a UI kit on the web. I am not gonna name things, but you dont need to spend a dime on any framework. Most if not all popular ones are opensource. Use those ones. Makes your life much easier. Community arround them also a lot bigger.

The time I would spend just thinking about how to structure things is more expensive than paying the one time fee for tailwind ui.

I think it’s great value amd have already gotten a multiple out of it.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#113

Haven't checked out Catalyst but I have used TailwindUI. The components are really good but if you are not using a JS framework, it's a lot of work to integrate. The regular JS version of TailwindUI uses Alpine which doesn't have a CSP compatible version so you will have to write the Javascript from scratch. Partially due to these and frustrated by lack of component libraries in Rails, I built and recently released a…

Stimulus is used to sprinkle JS functionality, but why use it when Vue JS and Svelte are available? Those two are very powerful and also lightweight/minimal.

Precisely because it can be used to sprinkle JS functionality :)

Vue and Svelte are great but adopting them means that you are using Rails as just a backend. For the vast majority of apps, the Rails default stack works really well.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components? The best thing about Tailwind is everyone can use it. Wish we could go back to the days of building for the web and not building for React.

> Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components? For the same reasons that PrimeFaces has PrimeNg (Angular), PrimeReact, and PrimeVue. Given the way all the different stuff works together, that's the way it has to be done. I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Prime is MIT licensed. "Here, clone our repo on GitHub and do whatever you want!". Professional support is paid. It looks good, it…

> I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this!

That’s like the cost of 1 front end developer day, and you get so many useful components + future updates.

If you see it as a business expense it’s great value.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Complaints about TailwindCSS always remind me of this quote: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-ge...

Is tailwindui associated with tailwindCSS? If not, then the lack of completeness and quality of this UI kit says nothing about tailwindCSS.

Literally on the page:

> Built by experts — you can trust that all of the code is written following Tailwind CSS best practices, because it’s written by the same team who created and maintain the framework.

It's one of many templates that they sell: https://tailwindui.com/templates

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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This is unfortunately the whole space around Tailwind and UI kits. Incomplete kits which look the same and are all priced highly. Just look at Catalyst, Shadcn and Radix UI. I don't know what's new in all of this. These are used by "agencies".

I’m using parts of Shadcn on a real product making real money. It’s really just a combination of cva, radix, and tailwind that you can copy into your app and customize/extend. Shadcn, radix, and tailwind are all FOSS so they are not “high-priced”. Your analysis is shallow and unfounded.

It's a shame these are all focused on react. I'd appreciate a vanilla js option

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#117

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The business risks surrounding unpopular choices are generally strong enough to overwhelm the technical arguments. So why should a lead choose htmx? IMO only if the project was trivial enough to bring on such whimsical risk.

The fact that a library which does nothing more than swap a DOM element after an XHR request has the entire React community forming a collective shield wall should illuminate why it’s a dead-end technology.

these are the kinds of things people say in interviews and then wonder if their rejection was an example of ageism in tech

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#118
post #71

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This is unfortunately the whole space around Tailwind and UI kits. Incomplete kits which look the same and are all priced highly. Just look at Catalyst, Shadcn and Radix UI. I don't know what's new in all of this. These are used by "agencies".

I’m using parts of Shadcn on a real product making real money. It’s really just a combination of cva, radix, and tailwind that you can copy into your app and customize/extend. Shadcn, radix, and tailwind are all FOSS so they are not “high-priced”. Your analysis is shallow and unfounded.

I meant they all look very similar. Yes these are indeed free.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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> Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components? For the same reasons that PrimeFaces has PrimeNg (Angular), PrimeReact, and PrimeVue. Given the way all the different stuff works together, that's the way it has to be done. I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! Prime is MIT licensed. "Here, clone our repo on GitHub and do whatever you want!". Professional support is paid. It looks good, it…

> I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this! That’s like the cost of 1 front end developer day, and you get so many useful components + future updates. If you see it as a business expense it’s great value.

It's terrible value when compared to the other offerings in the market which come as complete JS components and are free.

Also tailwind UI doesn't come with figma designs, whereas all the other free ones do.

You're just paying a brand tax here.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#120

Hate that everything needs React these days. I’ll stick to using Tabler and HTMX.

hey look everyone, someone that doesn’t need a job or to collaborate with anyone

Hey look everyone, someone who just does as they are told and has no original ideas to contribute.
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