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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by recycledmatt »

grecy wrote: post #94
ladberg wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty nontrivial to buy a majority interest in any public company. It's not like you can just spend 1/2 the current market cap to acquire it, the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone (especially Apple) trying to do it.

> the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone Will that still happen if you put in a single order to buy 51% of all the shares at a price a little above the current market value ? That trade will be complete before the market "sees" you are trying to buy a ton.

It’s called slippage - the order book doesn’t have 51% of all the shares immediately for sale at the right this second offer price.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by HDThoreaun »

speedylight wrote: post #55

Since Masimo is a publicly traded company, can’t Apple just buy enough shares to have a controlling interest in the company and just force them to back out?

I think theyd have to buy the whole company, otherwise theyd be sued by the other shareholders.

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Post by golergka »

grecy wrote: post #90
xyst wrote: post #68

IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong. You can’t invent anything or push something to market without stepping on at least 1 or more vague patents.

You are correct because the patent system was not invented to help or hinder innovation. It was invented to help people get richer. It is working exactly as designed.

Helping people who invest in innovation get richer is exactly what helps innovation.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by throwaway894345 »

epistasis wrote: post #102
varispeed wrote: post #95

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> Apple poached its top executives What is this? Are they some form of slaves? If company doesn't want its employees "poached" they should pay them enough money so they don't think of "switching sides". This notion that corporations can own people and their brains should stop.

The notion is not that Masimo owned those executives or employees, the notion is that Apple needed the particular skills and expertise of those employees in order to build what they built.

Executives aren't usually the ones with specific technical skills about the arrangement of sensors and so on. If you were looking to infringe like this, it would be better just to poach engineers.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by gnicholas »

mikestew wrote: post #44

If Biden sides with Masimo and Apple’s appeals are unsuccessful, it may have to modify the Watch’s software to remove the blood oxygen feature in order to resume sales. Not that I use the feature all that often, but if I did, I guess it would be time to turn off automatic updates until it gets sorted. TFA is extremely light on details, given that Apple is effectively ordering a stop-ship on their hardware. Was there…

I don't think Apple has to nerf already-sold devices to comply. They just can't import new ones to the US. But yeah, it would be a good idea to turn off automatic updates just in case!

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by nomel »

whycome wrote: post #32

Samsung phones (Note 8?) had a pulse oximeter that was downgraded via software updates (you could still access if installing an older APK). I wonder if it was in response to something similar. And, could Apple have similarly complied with a simple software change?

> could Apple have similarly complied with a simple software change

From a user perspective, disabling a widely advertised/used feature after a user has bought something is probably worse than having new customers think it’s out of stock.

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Post by golergka »

xyst wrote: post #68

IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong. You can’t invent anything or push something to market without stepping on at least 1 or more vague patents.

> IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong.

Would you be willing to invest your own savings into tech-centric startups if they wouldn't be able to legally defend the tech they invented?

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by epistasis »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #114
epistasis wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion is not that Masimo owned those executives or employees, the notion is that Apple needed the particular skills and expertise of those employees in order to build what they built.

Executives aren't usually the ones with specific technical skills about the arrangement of sensors and so on. If you were looking to infringe like this, it would be better just to poach engineers.

But how does Apple get access to those employees, when they have been dealing with the executives? Through the executives bringing a team over.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by throwaway894345 »

varispeed wrote: post #107
tw04 wrote: post #89

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>IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Sure, but Apple has made an entire business out of making lowball offers to companies that produce tech they want. Then offering to pay more if they can just get more data on the tech, before ultimately pulling out of negotiations entirely and just copying that tech whether through internal resources, or hiring resources from the company in question. They've decided it's che…

This is wrong way to deal with this kind of thing. Apple should have not been allowed to grow this big in the first place so they could pull these kind of tricks. Otherwise you'll be playing whack-a-mole. Correct way would be to force Apple to split into separate independent entities. This should apply to all other businesses too big to fail.

Is Apple "too big to fail"? What's the equivalent of a "bank run" for a tech company? Is an Apple failure likely to cause a Great Recession or Great Depression? To be clear, I'm not defending "too big to fail" banking policies; I just don't see how that applies to Apple.

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Post by cyanydeez »

eweise wrote: post #83
xyst wrote: post #68

IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong. You can’t invent anything or push something to market without stepping on at least 1 or more vague patents.

From NYTimes "In court, Masimo detailed how Apple poached its top executives and more than a dozen other employees before later releasing a watch with pulse oximeter capabilities — which measures the percentage of oxygen that red blood cells carry from the lungs to the body — that were patented by Masimo." Doesn't sound like they accidentally stepped on a vague patent to me.

Sounds like they were reviewing patents and VP bios.
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