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Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by summerlight »

boh wrote: post #77

I think the competition for text to image services is over and open source, stable diffusion won. It doesn't matter how detailed (or whatever counts as "better") corporate text-to-image products get, stable diffusion is good enough which really is good enough. Unlike the corporate offerings, open source txt2img doesn't have random restrictions (no its not just porn at this point) and actually allows for additional sc…

I don't think SD has won the fight. It still doesn't give creators a full control of the output. It might be useful to auto generate some random illustrations but you need to give more controls if the output needs to be used as essential assets.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by boh »

karmasimida wrote: post #95
boh wrote: post #77

I think the competition for text to image services is over and open source, stable diffusion won. It doesn't matter how detailed (or whatever counts as "better") corporate text-to-image products get, stable diffusion is good enough which really is good enough. Unlike the corporate offerings, open source txt2img doesn't have random restrictions (no its not just porn at this point) and actually allows for additional sc…

Why stable diffusion won? Dalle3 and this is miles ahead in understanding scene and put correct text at the right place. This makes the image much more usable without editing.

I think because most people are used to Dall-E and the Midjourney user experience, they don't know what they're missing. In my experience SD was just as good in terms of "understanding" but offers way more features when using something like AUTOMATIC 1111.

If you're just generating something for fun then DallE/MJ is probably sufficient, but if you're doing a project that requires specific details/style/consistency you're going to need way more tools. With SD/A*1111 you can use a specific model (one that generates images with an Anime style for instance), use a ControlNet model for a specific pose, generate hundreds of potential images (without having to pay for each), use other tools like img2img/inpaint to hone your vision using the images you like, and if you're looking for a specific effect (like a gif for instance), you can use the many extensions created by the community to make it happen.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by TulliusCicero »

fullsend wrote: post #25
fooker wrote: post #20

Wow, Google has really become the IBM of 2005s. All flashy demos, 'call sales' to try anything.

According to Fiona Cicconi, Google’s chief people officer, Google employed 30,000 managers before the recent layoffs. The hard truth is Google needs a Twitter style culling. Take all those billions you're burning and give it to people with a builder mentality, not career sheeple. Unfortunately the same executives who would oversee this are the ones who need to be culled first.

> Google employed 30,000 managers before the recent layoffs.

I'm guessing that number included product/program managers, not just "people managers".

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by JAlexoid »

jefftk wrote: post #70
fooker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, Google has a unusually large number of engineers who are happy to coast, and would actively avoid taking on anything important. That seems more of an issue to me compared to middle management bloat.

I worked at Google from 2012 to 2022 and this didn't match my experience, for what it's worth. There were some people who coasted, but it was not common. There were a lot of people who got much less done than you might expect due to bureaucratic friction, but my coworkers were generally very enthusiastic to take on important things.

Important things and delivery of features are two very different things.

Rewriting a Linux kernel module is "important", but rarely impactful.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by boh »

bbor wrote: post #94
herval wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think it's over, but I don't see how Stable Diffusion won anything. If something, I see people flocking en masse to dalle3/google/amazon/whatever API is easy to integrate in one side, and consumers paying for Adobe & Canva in the other. Stable Diffusion is the Linux-on-the-desktop of diffusion models IMO (I agree w/ your comment on trusting Google - pretty sure they'll just phase this off eventually anyway, so…

I would totally agree. I’ve tried to setup stable diffusion a couple times, and even as a professional software engineer working in AI, every time I fail to get good results, get interrupted, lose track, and end up back at DALLE. I’ve seen what it can do, I know it can be amazing, but like Linux it has some serious usability issues

Using this: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui

Then this: https://civitai.com/

And I have completely abandoned DALLE and will likely never use it again.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by doctoboggan »

knodi123 wrote: post #32

The prompt "A shot of a 32-year-old female, up and coming conservationist in a jungle; athletic with short, curly hair and a warm smile" produced an impressive image. But I ran the same prompt 3 times on my laptop in just a few minutes, and got 3 almost-equally impressive images. (using stable diffusion and a free model called devlishphotorealism_sdxl15) https://imgur.com/a/4otrN17

I really don't understand how they came up with the _exact_ same image. This goes against my previous understanding of how these technologies work, and would appear to lend credence to the "they just regurgitate training material" argument.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by [deleted] »

boh wrote: post #77

I think the competition for text to image services is over and open source, stable diffusion won. It doesn't matter how detailed (or whatever counts as "better") corporate text-to-image products get, stable diffusion is good enough which really is good enough. Unlike the corporate offerings, open source txt2img doesn't have random restrictions (no its not just porn at this point) and actually allows for additional sc…

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Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by gerash »

fullsend wrote: post #25
fooker wrote: post #20

Wow, Google has really become the IBM of 2005s. All flashy demos, 'call sales' to try anything.

According to Fiona Cicconi, Google’s chief people officer, Google employed 30,000 managers before the recent layoffs. The hard truth is Google needs a Twitter style culling. Take all those billions you're burning and give it to people with a builder mentality, not career sheeple. Unfortunately the same executives who would oversee this are the ones who need to be culled first.

or ask most of the people managers to become ICs and start actually doing something technical
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